Article Comments: 2007 Ford Edge Full Test

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Article comments for Full Test: 2007 Ford Edge SEL Plus AWD - On its face, and it's a big face, the 2007 Ford Edge has all the makings of a competitive crossover-utility vehicle, or CUV: rigid unit-body construction, ample 265-horsepower V6, all-wheel drive, cutting-edge styling (sorry) and room for five plus some luggage. It drives smoothly and quietly, and additional amenities include optional sat-nav, upgraded audio, rear-seat entertainment and a monster-sized power-sliding glass roof. So what's the problem? (more)

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#16 of 55 Re: C'mon People [cwalton1] by mmccloskey Nov 20, 2006 (5:16 pm)
Replying to: cwalton1 (Nov 20, 2006 3:07 pm) Greetings Chris: Lucky you to be able to be an automotive journalist and drive/review cars for a living. The article was certainly well written and contained specifics about the Edge that many potential buyers might overlook. I had no intention of besmirching your review by stating the Cadillac SRX was not a far comparison to the Edge. As you know, that vehicle is in another class regardless of it's price point. Most that are shopping an SRX may not even consider a Ford product. I agree that 36K is a lot for a vehicle of any type and I, for one, think is a bit steep for a Ford. I bought a 2005 Freestyle in April 2005 which had a MSRP of nearly 34K - which I refused to pay. Needless to say I got it for 3K less and have been very pleased with it. Keep up the good work - that's why people such as myself continue to reference Edmunds for it's information from reviewers and forum posters. Regards - M. J. McCloskey
#17 of 55 Re: C'mon People [cwalton1] by calhon Nov 20, 2006 (5:17 pm)
Replying to: cwalton1 (Nov 20, 2006 3:07 pm) Thanks for replying but, sorry, I'm not buying it. The price comparisons weren't just mentioned in passing. They were THE lead and a central point to your review. You got there by the end of the first paragraph: "So what's the problem? "Our loaded Edge carried a $36,360 as-tested price. Granted our tester was packing the top-tier SEL Plus AWD trim level, but even staffers enamored by the Edge took one look at that number and spontaneously blurted out something like, 'Well that changes everything.'" What changed??? In my opinion, the price category in which you viewed the vehicle. It was now seen as being at a higher price point than the Pilot/Highlander - more SRX-like in price. Note the very next paragraph: "The fact is you get a comparable Honda Pilot EX-L AWD or Toyota Highlander Limited AWD (both with a third-row) for less than that. Even a Cadillac SRX V6 comes in at $37,665." All the above price comparisons are wrong. The Edge is priced at or below the Pilot and the Highlander when comparably equipped. The SRX is at least $6K more. I agree that the Edge is probably not the class leader, but I think your flawed price comparisons and resulting wrong expectations drove an excessively negative tone to the review. You didn't do your homework, and I don't think you can offer an acceptable excuse for that. Replies to this message: explorerx4 (Nov 20, 2006 5:31 pm) cwalton1 (Nov 20, 2006 9:04 pm) coldcranker (Nov 21, 2006 11:43 am) akirby (Nov 21, 2006 11:55 am) and 6 more... efb1 (Jan 05, 2007 2:09 pm)
#18 of 55 Re: C'mon People [calhon] by explorerx4 Nov 20, 2006 (5:31 pm)
Replying to: calhon (Nov 20, 2006 5:17 pm) give cwalton1 a break, he's only been a member since sept 1. if you want to see a comparison of some overweight oinkers, check out the minivan story on the main page. '02 comparison test: explorer 0-60 8.3, 15.7 mpg. damn slow, gas sucking suv.
#19 of 55 Re: C'mon People [calhon] by cwalton1 Nov 20, 2006 (9:04 pm)
Replying to: calhon (Nov 20, 2006 5:17 pm) It seems the majority of you "get it." Look. I know how these strings work: usually somebody who is a (manufacturer) fan becomes offended that his favorite (manufacturer) wasn't held in the highest esteem by somebody like me. Sometimes, other readers call him on it (thanks) and the discussion goes on for about three pages until somebody else starts name calling. I'm not into that at all. Whether anybody "buys" my side of the story interests me very little. I'm not going to produce some spreadsheet with all the options and prices for every comparable vehicle. (Actually Edmunds.com does a very good job of that with Compare Vehicles and that's what I used to form some of my opinions). I'm happy for the opportunity to have a dialogue with our readers (unlike some "buff" books who take a month to dream up a witty insult and hide behind the name "Ed." in the Backfires column.) Instead, I merely wanted to raise some doubt in your minds as to what Ford was thinking with the Edge - Is it really the cure-all it's promoted to be? Is it the least bit sporty to drive? Is it a good deal? Does it have a fuel economy advantage over the SUVs it is supposed to replace? Do you realize it weighs as much as regular-cab F-150 V8 with 4wd? Don't you think the price is a little steep? I'm not trying to kick Ford when they're down. I'm just trying to help you folks realize there are alternatives. That's all. I have no agenda other than to help you inform yourselves. And for the record, I did write, "The base price for an Edge SEL Plus AWD like ours is $31,395. A base model SE with FWD starts at $25,995." That was in a photo caption, but it was there. Also, I understand that increasing the stroke also increases the overall cylinder displacement -- as well as torque output (if all else remains the same -- which it usually does not). Okay, I'm signing off for now. I hope you all realize we're here for the information and the fun of it all. Let's not get carried away. Chris Walton, Inside Line. Replies to this message: coldcranker (Nov 21, 2006 11:43 am) akirby (Nov 21, 2006 11:55 am) coldcranker (Nov 21, 2006 4:34 pm) and 5 more... efb1 (Jan 05, 2007 2:09 pm)
#20 of 55 Re: C'mon People [cwalton1] by coldcranker Nov 21, 2006 (11:43 am)
Replying to: cwalton1 (Nov 20, 2006 9:04 pm) "...Do you realize it weighs as much as regular-cab F-150 V8 with 4wd?..." A little overstated, but your point is good. Correction: An '06 F150 2WD reg-cab XL is listed in Edmunds.com at 4,615 lbs, and a 4WD version weighs more, listed at 5,004 lbs. The Edge comes in at about 4,400 lbs by comparison. The Edge's weight is an issue (makes braking, handling, MPG, acceleration worse), but looking at some of the other CUVs out there (Acadia at 4,722 lbs, etc.), it makes my Freestyle (3,900 lbs) look svelte, and the Edge has a lot of company in the 4500 lb area. Replies to this message: akirby (Nov 21, 2006 11:55 am) coldcranker (Nov 21, 2006 4:34 pm) explorerx4 (Nov 21, 2006 4:42 pm) and 2 more... akirby (Nov 21, 2006 8:53 pm) tidester (Nov 21, 2006 9:36 pm)
#21 of 55 Re: C'mon People [coldcranker] by akirby Nov 21, 2006 (11:55 am)
Replying to: coldcranker (Nov 21, 2006 11:43 am) Not counting the vista roof (which nobody else offers) it's only a couple of hundred pounds more than comparable vehicles. That's only one passenger. And there's no reason that braking performance has to suffer because of added weight. I don't think the two are related. Some automotive reviewers just have to find something to gripe about with Ford. Replies to this message: coldcranker (Nov 21, 2006 4:34 pm) explorerx4 (Nov 21, 2006 4:42 pm) coldcranker (Nov 21, 2006 5:23 pm) and 1 more... akirby (Nov 21, 2006 8:53 pm) tidester (Nov 21, 2006 9:36 pm)
#22 of 55 Re: C'mon People [akirby] by coldcranker Nov 21, 2006 (4:34 pm)
Replying to: akirby (Nov 21, 2006 11:55 am) Braking performance often suffers due to added weight. F=M*A said that Isaac Newton fellow, if you believe him. Replies to this message: explorerx4 (Nov 21, 2006 4:42 pm) coldcranker (Nov 21, 2006 5:23 pm) explorerx4 (Nov 21, 2006 6:37 pm) akirby (Nov 21, 2006 8:53 pm) tidester (Nov 21, 2006 9:36 pm)
#23 of 55 Re: C'mon People [coldcranker] by explorerx4 Nov 21, 2006 (4:42 pm)
Replying to: coldcranker (Nov 21, 2006 4:34 pm) i think 150+ feet from 60 to 0 is way too long, based on most other vehicles. i don't think the extra 200 or so pounds is the reason for the extra 15-20 foot distance. i would like to know what is causing it. i wish the edge had a rear hatch window that opened seperate from the liftgate. lack of that says minivan to me. Replies to this message: coldcranker (Nov 21, 2006 5:23 pm) explorerx4 (Nov 21, 2006 6:37 pm)
#24 of 55 Re: C'mon People [explorerx4] by coldcranker Nov 21, 2006 (5:23 pm)
Replying to: explorerx4 (Nov 21, 2006 4:42 pm) About braking distance, its true if the brakes were larger and the tires were wider, you could get the distances down. Its about time Ford engineered a vehicle that beats the competition instead of just lagging behind. Replies to this message: explorerx4 (Nov 21, 2006 6:37 pm)
#25 of 55 Re: C'mon People [coldcranker] by explorerx4 Nov 21, 2006 (6:37 pm)
Replying to: coldcranker (Nov 21, 2006 5:23 pm) you could be right, but i doubt it is that simple. for example, i just bought some new tires for my wife's escape. they are the same size as the original tires, but a noticeably larger. i replaced the tires on my explorer. the new ones are quiet and smooth riding, but they are below average in bad weather. the old tires were noisy, rough riding, but great in bad weather.