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Vans & Minivans Article Comments: 2006 Minivans Comparison Test
49 messages, Last post on Dec 28, 2007 at 10:46 AM
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Replying to: ew3074 (Nov 15, 2006 9:54 am) Edmunds.com is NOT biased toward Honda, but the Ody won this comparo. Deal with it. I would have liked to have seen the '07s tested, but the simple fact is that Honda builds tremendous products. When they deserve to win comparos, they do. This does not mean that a publication is biased. ~alpha |
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Replying to: ew3074 (Nov 15, 2006 12:09 am) I agree with that. The fastest/best handling vehicle will always win a comparison test... even if it's falling apart during the test drive. Motor Trend's long term test of the Ody had it being the best thing since sliced bread. Even though there were many problems with radio antenna, brake noise, squeaks, rattles, transmission shifting early/late... and the power sliding door malfunctioning in the open position, nessesitating the Motor Trend team to take back roads to the dealership to get it fixed. All the while they kept emphasizing that the repairs were "free under warranty", like that makes everything okay. For a vehicle under one year old, I'd say its unacceptable.
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Replying to: jipster (Nov 15, 2006 12:28 pm) alpha |
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Replying to: ew3074 (Nov 15, 2006 3:05 pm) We're also wondering why Edmunds took MSRP into account instead of TMV. Ironically, thanks to Edmunds, we got ours at exactly TMV (almost $5,000 below MSRP-no rebate, took 3.9%  60months instead. 0%60months not available in our area, but available in others) with virtually no haggling. Yeah yeah yeah... Resale value would suffer-I know.. Is the resale value important to us? YES(why not?). Is it at the top of our priority list? Absolutely not-we didn't buy the car to sell it. Reliability, features(factory Xenon HID, AWD with VSC/Trac cntl, Dynamic Laser Cruise control-yes it will automatically coast or even hit the brakes for you), comfort(for those long roadtrips) weighed-in more. ...'06 Sienna Limited AWD w/ NAV, DVD & Z1 package ($38,195.00 NO rebate, 3.9 60mos.)...recently averaged 26 MPG during our 600-mile break-in roadtrip.(varied speed between 65 and 85-for break-in purposes, would've gotten more if we cruised steadily) $765 for Toyota Platinum 7yr/100k/$0 deductible Extended Warranty Not brandname fanboy... never will be... previous cars(all good experience-maintenance fanatic and common sense car care): '89 Ford Probe, '92 Eagle Talon Tsi AWD, '97 Subaru Outback Sport, '01 Mazda MPV ES Current cars: '04 Subaru Forester XT Premium (COBB Stage 2 with bolt-on STI(ebay) suspension package) 225/55ZR16, '05 Honda Accord LX, '06 Toyota Sienna Limited AWD |
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Replying to: jipster (Nov 15, 2006 12:28 pm) Well then don't buy that one vehicle. Look at the edmunds longterm test! No issues also the car(motor trend) did go 25K miles and the break noise I have heard is fixed by updated pads. My 2001 caravan was in the shop many times the first year with 3 follow ups for a radio problem. When I went in for my latest service on my Odyssey, they asked if I had any issues. My wife told me she heard a grinding noise one time so I told them about it walla new brake pads at 15K miles. I have had no other problems(And that was one I didn't know I had) Now check out the 2001 DGC long term test if you want unacceptable. My Ody has served me well gets good gas mileage and was under 30K for the EX-L with DVD. All in all I'd buy it again.
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I don't understand why Edmunds.com - creator of the TMV, insists on mentioning irrelevant sticker prices when comparing vehicles. It just makes the so-called "experts" look uninformed. Also, why was the Kia tested rather than the Hyundai Entourage? The Hyundai has a significantly nicer interior, a quieter ride (better door and window seals and more sound deadener) and more features. Since you were testing the high end vans, why didn't you go for the high-end Korean van? Also, the story mentioned the "Sedona's portly 4729-pound curb weight", yet the Edmund's specs page (from the Sedona EX) lists it as having a curb weight of 4,387 lbs. Where did the extra 342 lbs. come from? Is it indeed the heaviest van in the test, or the lightest? |
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Replying to: socalawd (Nov 15, 2006 10:57 pm) I didn't. Don't know of anyone who would want to buy that particular Ody. But, the point was, that despite the long list of problems with the van, the overall theme of MT's article was nothing but positive. Even the negatives had a positive spin put on them. i.e Raving about VCM, yet the average mpg was only 18.3 mpg. No where in the article was it mentioned that the Ody was under 4 recalls for separate components. Glossed over was this comment from the log book, "I experienced excessive engine braking when downshifting to second gear. It felt like I'd slammed on the brakes!" Doesn't all of the above sound a bit biased to you? Look at Edmunds long-term test Wow.... three whole weeks. Hardly a long-term test in my book. Now, is the Ody a good van. Sure it is, it's good if it is the right van for your particular needs. Looks as if the overall quality/reliability is down for the Ody though. Many times perception equals reality. I went in to test drive the Ody with high expectations. The perception I had was the Ody was the best in all areas hands down. But, when I took the test drive I realized perception wasn't reality, and I was disappointed in the Odys performance. So, all of you future minivans buyers out there, take all of these comparison tests with a grain of salt. Be opened minded and pick the van thats right for your needs and budget... not the needs of some auto mag writer.
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Replying to: goatrope (Nov 16, 2006 7:23 am) Are you serious about the Kia vs. Hyundai interior? They are almost exactly the same, with very detail changes. We're not talking about the Optima and Sonata here, which have different placement of vents, controls, etc. What are the features that the Entourage has that the top-end Sedona lacks? Finally, I'm looking at the spec sheet : http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Drives/Comparos/articleId=117437/pageId=104- 463 And I don't see a discrepancy. Did edmunds.com update it or are you looking somewhere else perhaps by accident? ~alpha
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Replying to: jipster (Nov 16, 2006 9:37 am) You ARE aware that Edmunds just wrapped up a one-year long term test on an '05 Odyssey Touring, aren't you? http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Drives/LongTerm/articleId=104757
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