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#736 of 859 Re: July 2009 Sales (US) [coolmazda5]
by vg33e power
Aug 05, 2009 (12:59 pm)
So what do you think? Our Mazda5's are not cars but are not really mini-vans. They are not SUV's because they do not classify as that type of vehicle so therefore they do not come standard with privacy glass. Most people call them wagons but they raise contraversy because it has slider doors like a mini-van...which is not, and now the government for the sake of CFC categorizes it a cat1 truck...WTF!
So our Mazda5's can be a car, a mini-van, an SUV, a wagon, and now a truck...lovely!!
Man, talk about Mazda making a ripple on a calm pond....and I love it!
#737 of 859 Re: July 2009 Sales (US) [coolmazda5]
Aug 05, 2009 (7:44 pm)
The problem is that most, if not all, the available Rondo are LX and not the more desired EX trim. 10 out of 11 Rondos at my dealer right now are LX that has no 3rd row seat and moon roof option. In other words, most of the Rondo left are 5 seaters that are not competitive model for Mazda5. Dealers have been receiving mostly Soul and Forte in the last few shipments. On the other hand, the current inventory reflects the outcome of cash for clunkers. Rondo has both 4-cylinder and V6 models, but only the I-4 is eligible due to the 1mpg difference. Whereas Mazda5 only has 4 cylinder models and they are all eligible for the cash voucher.
#738 of 859 Re: July 2009 Sales (US) [tourist1292]
Aug 06, 2009 (7:22 am)
So it seems that in this case KIA is being bitten back by offering way too many options for a single model nowadays. That was its strength in past months however.
Oh well, I hope the Rondo and the Mazda5 stay in the KIA and Mazda line-ups in the US for the next generation, competition is always healthy (those KIA numbers don't help today though, the Rondo is just ahead of the Borrego and the Amanti in numbers for July 09)
#739 of 859 Re: July 2009 Sales (US) [coolmazda5]
Aug 08, 2009 (2:40 pm)
Sure it is good to have more optional line-ups within the same model if they can deliver the them too. I guess Kia's manufacturing capacity is really limited that they have to cut down the production of Rondo to make the new Soul and Forte. Anyway, let's hope that there will be more competitive models by other manufacturers in this niche.
#740 of 859 Re: July 2009 Sales Canada
Aug 21, 2009 (6:39 am)
been away for over six weeks, thanks coolmazda5 for the US figures. These are the Canadian market:
Rondo: 979 ('08 - 1,066) YTD: 5,848 ('08 - 6,236)
Mazda 5: 1,017 ('08 - 1,162) YTD: 5,709 ('08 - 9,010)
I guess it won't be too long before we start finding out about the 2010 models, usually in Canada its late August or early September.
#741 of 859 August sales for Canada and US
Sep 15, 2009 (12:04 pm)
Rondo - 967 (1,087 in '08); YTD - 6,815 (7,323 in '08)
Mazda 5 - 972 (747 in '08); YTD - 6,681 (9,757 in '08)
Rondo - 1,259 (3,508 in '08) YTD - 11,078 (22,038 in '08)
Mazda 5 - 1,919 (1,324 in '08); YTD - 14,266 (14,637 in '08)
#742 of 859 Should I get a Rondo?
Sep 23, 2009 (11:15 am)
Hi! I am a boomer Mom ready to unload the 7 seat minivan. We just don't need it anymore. But I want decent cargo space as we do haul stuff. And I want a fairly comfortable driver seat, don't like my teeth rattling as they do in my husband's Civic.
I wish more mfrs made wagons---I don't want to spend a fortune on a Volvo, youngest goes to college soon.
Does anyone here have experience/opinions on whether we should look to Rondo, used 2009 Subaru Outback, Hyundai Elantra Touring? I don't want a 2010 OB, they are too much like SUVs. I do want reliability as we keep our cars until they die.
#743 of 859 Should I get a Rondo?
Sep 23, 2009 (11:17 am)
Oh, I didn't mention Mazda 5, because when we visited one on the lot we found that you can drop the back seats to only about 35 degrees down, and you also can't take them out. Not good for when carrying bulky things.
#744 of 859 Re: Should I get a Rondo? [ofionnachta]
Sep 23, 2009 (4:59 pm)
I can really only answer for the Outback, since that's the only one I've owned, although I do have a smaller Hyundai Accent. A year and a half ago I was test driving the Mazda 5, Rondo, and Subaru Forester, and had pretty much narrowed it down to the Rondo because it had all I needed at a good price plus it was rated to tow my pop-up camper. While at the Subaru dealer, we tried the 2008 Outback and since they gave us such a good deal on the base model we bought it. We love it, it has good cargo room and a 2700 lb tow rating plus all wheel drive. The highway mileage was only supposed to be 26, but we get that in rural city, and usually at least 28 and sometimes low 30s on the highway. It has a smooth quiet ride, the only complaint we have is the scanty leg room for rear seat passengers. The 2010 model has more interior room even though it's an inch shorter. Our Outback has plenty of room for camping gear and we can easily load the kayaks on top since it's not very tall. If I didn't buy the Outback, I would be driving a Rondo right now, but I would now have to compare it side by side with the Hyundai Elantra touring which recently was highly rated by Consumers Reports. My Hyundai Accent is my work car and has worked perfectly for the 30,000 miles I've owned it and gets 35-37 MPG on my daily commute.
Have fun looking!
#745 of 859 Re: Should I get a Rondo? [ofionnachta]
Sep 23, 2009 (5:12 pm)
I'm not sure if I follow the comment about teeth rattling on a Civic, is it very old? I've owned several car brands and the Civic is not a luxury car but very quiet and smooth.
Anyway, you are unloading a 7 seater minivan, so if you still need seven seats get a Rondo, the Mazda5 only has seats for six (US, Canada and Mexico). With regards to space with all seats folded flat we are talking about the same capacity (yeah, of course some owners will argue which has more sq in around between the 2, but it is a generic assessment, see pics below for both)
If you only need 5 seats and you need the back for cargo only, Rondo has a 5 seat configuration as well, yet I'm not sure that with no 3rd row it really adds much more space.
With all 3 rows in use, the cargo space is drastically reduced, you can carry a couple of things for the day, but i.e. to travel, a cargo box on the roof will do for any...
Oh, and you cannot recline the 2nd row fully in either, but you don't need that, see how the seats fold forward on both cars, very clever for a small car IMO