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Replying to: 5_more (Jul 22, 2008 6:43 pm) Spec Manual - 22/28 Auto - 21/27 Is your model manual ? You say you get 30 MPG per mile on average. It's rather unusual when people exceed spec. You also exceeded Sienna spec MPG of 17/23. By the way do you know if MPG is calculated with FULL load or other way ? I still do not see substantial change in spec MPG for big minivans - during many years they stay mostly the same for the same models.
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Replying to: uzv (Jul 23, 2008 5:17 pm) Actual Mileage will vary with options, driving conditions, driving habits and [the] vehicle's condition. Results reported to [the] EPA indicate that the majority of vehicles with these estimates will achieve between 17 and 25 mpg in the city and between 22 and 32 mpg on the highway. For the Sienna, the estimates on my 2007 sticker were 19/26 with reported ranges of 16-22 city and 22-30 highway (on vehicles with similar ratings). 2008 testing is different than 2007 and before, so a 2007 and 2008 Sienna will have different EPA ratings, even though they are essentially the same vehicle. See: http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/FEG2000.htm I'm sure you can find more details on the testing there. My Mazda5 is an automatic. For my trip mileages on the Sienna, I had 5 people in the van, and enough cargo to require fully inflated air bag helpers in the rear suspension (~1000 lbs.) Last year I had 3 bikes and a bike trailer hanging from the back as well. My actual fuel economy has exceeded EPA estimates in all but two of my vehicles in the last 20+ years. I don't find it unusual. |
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Replying to: 5_more (Jul 22, 2008 6:43 pm) I filled-up this weekend for $3.739 (87 Octane). Diesel was $5.139 at the same station. Dollars/mile, matter to me, not MPG. At these prices, diesel offers no advantage. At a smaller percentage spread, it might, depending on the difference in purchase price between a diesel and gasoline engine, the mileage difference and the difference in repair costs. " Diesel would not show an advantage at those prices, but I think you found a station with extreme prices; extremely low for gas and extremely high for diesel. Today's National average is $4.04 for gas and $4.80 for diesel. Using those figures, diesel cost approx 19% more than gas so if you got 30% more miles from each gallon, your cost per mile for diesel would be cheaper than gas. Of course as you pointed out you would also have to factor in having the extra expense of the diesel engine option and the downside of finding and using diesel fuel. John |
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Replying to: 5_more (Jul 22, 2008 6:43 pm) 
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Replying to: lavrishevo (Jul 25, 2008 12:23 am) If shifted manually, and if the tires are kept from spinning, a sub-7 second time is possible. 6.6 seconds http://www.autos.com/autos/vans/minivans/acceleration 7.2 seconds http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/comparison_test/vans/2007_hyundai_entourage_- vs_2007_nissan_quest_2008_dodge_grand_caravan_2007_toyota_sienna_2007_honda_odys- sey_comparison_test+page-5.html video in the low 7's, with comments of 6.9 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gadUoJnEzfs Other examples are out there. Test drive one. You'll be surprised.
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Replying to: 5_more (Jul 25, 2008 1:58 pm)  . Anyhow, regardless, check the Mazda5 acceleration for a 5MT, not bad for a 4cyl people mover. Mazda5 Performance Engine 2.3 I-4 Transmission 5-Spd Manual Drive System fwd Acceleration Summary Acceleration, 0-30 MPH 0-30 MPH: 2.85 Acceleration, 0-40 MPH 0-40 MPH: 4.49 Acceleration, 0-50 MPH 0-50 MPH: 6.33 Acceleration, 0-60 MPH 0-60 MPH: 8.53 Source: http://www.intellichoice.com/reports/vehicleReport/vehicle_nmb/17149/section/spe- cs/type/used/2006/Mazda/Mazda5 Also, some very old Mazda5 video, makes me laugh a little, but great handling http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zU4paH8qcQ8 And a fast Rondo (Carens). 150mph, 230kmh  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s6hgerWf0yc It is funny seeing people doing this to these type of cars, but hey
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Replying to: coolmazda5 (Jul 26, 2008 6:15 am) However, for the most part, my 0-60 times, on both vehicles, are in the 10-15 second range. I'd rather get better mileage, have a transmission last an extra 50,000 miles, and have my tires last longer than best a car that I already know I can beat, or prove that I that can take the same curve at the vehicle's limits time after time -- we all get old eventually. I took my last Mazda to almost 250,000 miles on the original clutch. I sold the car shortly before that point, but the clutch was still working like new. |
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2008 Mazda5 5-DR. Hatchback w/SAB * Frontal Driver Rating: 5 stars * Frontal Passenger Rating: 5 stars * Side Driver Rating: 5 stars * Side Rear Passenger Rating: 4 stars * Rollover 2 Wheel Drive Rating: 4 stars Chance of rollover 14% Static Stability Factor 1.30 Dynamic Test Result No-tip* Drive FWD Tire Size P205/50R17 2008 KIA Rondo 4-DR w/SAB * Frontal Driver Rating: 5 stars * Frontal Passenger Rating: 5 stars * Side Driver Rating: 5 stars * Side Rear Passenger Rating: 4 stars * Rollover 2 Wheel Drive Rating: 4 stars Chance of rollover 13% Static Stability Factor 1.32 Dynamic Test Result No-tip* Drive FWD Tire Size P205/60R16 Source: http://www.safercar.gov/portal/search?model=7828 Some videos: Frontal crash: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0qPGDrLIsww Side impact: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pWojbZkAJ0A __________________ |
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....will get the same Theta I-4 engine as the '09 Optima, which is rated at 175 hp and achieves better mpg (32 mpg hwy). That's a 13hp increase over '07 and '08 Rondo. No news on the V-6 yet engine yet, but if it follows Optima form, the hp will go to 190, an 8 hp increase.
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Replying to: garnermike (Jul 31, 2008 9:50 am)
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