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Replying to: bobw3 (Jul 20, 2008 2:56 pm) Also it looks like Mazada/Rondo does not have really good MPG - but I think they can improve it. I'm less optimistic about MPG improvement for big minivans as they had a lot of time to do it with no result. I'm speaking about old fashion improvement (without hybrid). Diesel will also big help as it takes about 30% less fuel. About less comfort in smaller cars - yes we have to give up comfort that we can not afford. I think next on funeral list are big houses (and actually not so big like 2500-3000 sq.ft.) as people will not be able to pay heating and electric /AC bills
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Mazda 5: June 2008 - 1,281 vs 1,156 for June 2007 YTD 2008 - 7,848 vs 6,398 for June 2007 Rondo June 2008 - 935 vs 830 for Jun 2007 YTD 2008 - 5,170 vs 3,445 for June 2007 for US readers keep in mind that the US market is 9.5 times larger than Canada |
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Replying to: uzv (Jul 21, 2008 2:16 pm) they can improve it. My 2008 Mazda 5 gets 29-31 MPG in mixed city/suburban driving on every tank. Including the first two tanks, the lifetime average (~6500 miles) is above 28 MPG -- with only one highway trip of 90 miles. Regardless of what you think, I see a relatively safe, six-seat, 3500 lb., automatic transmission, sub-$20k, 30 MPG vehicle as doing pretty well. I'm less optimistic about MPG improvement for big minivans as they had a lot of time to do it with no result. My 1996 Dodge Grand Caravan averaged around 20 MPG on my annual 3000 mile trip. It's highest ever mileage was 23 MPG -- (later model years did a bit better). My 2007 Toyota Sienna averaged 25.5 MPG on last year's trip and 25.8 MPG this year -- in all cases, the trips included several hundred miles of stop and go traffic in major cities. The high for the Sienna on this year's trip was 29.0 MPG -- topped-off and hand calculated over 400 miles. For comparison, the Sienna weighs 4200 lbs, vs. the Dodge's 3700 lbs, it (Sienna) has 13 cu ft more cargo volume, an additional seat, 109 HP more, 8 more air bags and does 0-60 in under 7 seconds. So, more power, more weight, better safety AND almost a 30% improvement in mileage. Not bad... Drive train efficiency gains cause corresponding percentage improvements in cars and minivans equally. Diesel will also big help as it takes about 30% less fuel. I filled-up this weekend for $3.739 (87 Octane). Diesel was $5.139 at the same station. Dollars/mile, matter to me, not MPG. At these prices, diesel offers no advantage. At a smaller percentage spread, it might, depending on the difference in purchase price between a diesel and gasoline engine, the mileage difference and the difference in repair costs. |
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Replying to: 5_more (Jul 22, 2008 6:43 pm) Spec Manual - 22/28 Auto - 21/27 Is your model manual ? You say you get 30 MPG per mile on average. It's rather unusual when people exceed spec. You also exceeded Sienna spec MPG of 17/23. By the way do you know if MPG is calculated with FULL load or other way ? I still do not see substantial change in spec MPG for big minivans - during many years they stay mostly the same for the same models.
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Replying to: uzv (Jul 23, 2008 5:17 pm) Actual Mileage will vary with options, driving conditions, driving habits and [the] vehicle's condition. Results reported to [the] EPA indicate that the majority of vehicles with these estimates will achieve between 17 and 25 mpg in the city and between 22 and 32 mpg on the highway. For the Sienna, the estimates on my 2007 sticker were 19/26 with reported ranges of 16-22 city and 22-30 highway (on vehicles with similar ratings). 2008 testing is different than 2007 and before, so a 2007 and 2008 Sienna will have different EPA ratings, even though they are essentially the same vehicle. See: http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/FEG2000.htm I'm sure you can find more details on the testing there. My Mazda5 is an automatic. For my trip mileages on the Sienna, I had 5 people in the van, and enough cargo to require fully inflated air bag helpers in the rear suspension (~1000 lbs.) Last year I had 3 bikes and a bike trailer hanging from the back as well. My actual fuel economy has exceeded EPA estimates in all but two of my vehicles in the last 20+ years. I don't find it unusual. |
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Replying to: 5_more (Jul 22, 2008 6:43 pm) I filled-up this weekend for $3.739 (87 Octane). Diesel was $5.139 at the same station. Dollars/mile, matter to me, not MPG. At these prices, diesel offers no advantage. At a smaller percentage spread, it might, depending on the difference in purchase price between a diesel and gasoline engine, the mileage difference and the difference in repair costs. " Diesel would not show an advantage at those prices, but I think you found a station with extreme prices; extremely low for gas and extremely high for diesel. Today's National average is $4.04 for gas and $4.80 for diesel. Using those figures, diesel cost approx 19% more than gas so if you got 30% more miles from each gallon, your cost per mile for diesel would be cheaper than gas. Of course as you pointed out you would also have to factor in having the extra expense of the diesel engine option and the downside of finding and using diesel fuel. John |
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Replying to: 5_more (Jul 22, 2008 6:43 pm) 
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Replying to: lavrishevo (Jul 25, 2008 12:23 am) If shifted manually, and if the tires are kept from spinning, a sub-7 second time is possible. 6.6 seconds http://www.autos.com/autos/vans/minivans/acceleration 7.2 seconds http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/comparison_test/vans/2007_hyundai_entourage_- vs_2007_nissan_quest_2008_dodge_grand_caravan_2007_toyota_sienna_2007_honda_odys- sey_comparison_test+page-5.html video in the low 7's, with comments of 6.9 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gadUoJnEzfs Other examples are out there. Test drive one. You'll be surprised.
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Replying to: 5_more (Jul 25, 2008 1:58 pm)  . Anyhow, regardless, check the Mazda5 acceleration for a 5MT, not bad for a 4cyl people mover. Mazda5 Performance Engine 2.3 I-4 Transmission 5-Spd Manual Drive System fwd Acceleration Summary Acceleration, 0-30 MPH 0-30 MPH: 2.85 Acceleration, 0-40 MPH 0-40 MPH: 4.49 Acceleration, 0-50 MPH 0-50 MPH: 6.33 Acceleration, 0-60 MPH 0-60 MPH: 8.53 Source: http://www.intellichoice.com/reports/vehicleReport/vehicle_nmb/17149/section/spe- cs/type/used/2006/Mazda/Mazda5 Also, some very old Mazda5 video, makes me laugh a little, but great handling http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zU4paH8qcQ8 And a fast Rondo (Carens). 150mph, 230kmh  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s6hgerWf0yc It is funny seeing people doing this to these type of cars, but hey
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