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Replying to: uzv (Jul 16, 2008 11:10 am)
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Replying to: coolmazda5 (Jul 18, 2008 7:30 am) BIG cars as mainstream are dead (only for that ones who do not care about price of gas) - which is well confirmed by almost funeral state of GM/Ford, etc It's actually very happy time for US - FINALY to open eyes and see what a mess we created in sense of cars we drive
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Replying to: uzv (Jul 18, 2008 2:51 pm) Exactly! I could have bought an 07 Dodge Caravan but I chose to look at the Mazda5 and Rondo. I bought a Rondo V6, since it is big enough for my family's needs but not too big. Good point, Uzv!
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Replying to: bgw (Jul 18, 2008 3:55 pm)  . I did not see that as the "main point", but I understand. Keep on mind that the models did NOT show up in 2008 in NA, but is interesting to see how trends change. I bought my first one in 2005 before the gas craze and the theme was more like a "small people mover on a budget", nothing else. My wife is originally from Europe where petrol was already pricey so for her was perfect. Now with a $4+ a gallon everybody is turning around to buy them and they are selling well. Don't take me wrong but I see now more people sacrificing comfort by cramping up these cars due to the price and better gas mileage, which is natural. I think Mazda and KIA had just luck on the early timing when bringing these models to the NA market 
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Replying to: coolmazda5 (Jul 19, 2008 4:05 am) Again, people are buying them to save $ because of gas but they're really saving because of the lower purchase price, which has nothing to do with the price of gas. In fact, these little cars are being less discounted due to the high gas prices. Anyway, just some thoughts. I just wonder why the same people who say they're buying small because of the gas weren't so worried about the total purchase price when gas was cheap. It's even more strange to me to hear someone going from a $40K SUV to a $20K economy car to save gas. They don't even mention the fact that they just saved $20K on the purchase prices, but are more interested in the $20 bucks a week they'll save in gas! Pretty strange logic to me!
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Replying to: bobw3 (Jul 20, 2008 2:56 pm) Hybrid Vehicles Not Best Value According to Edmunds.com http://www.businesswire.com/portal/site/google/?ndmViewId=news_view&newsId=20080- 625005404&newsLang=en |
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Replying to: bobw3 (Jul 20, 2008 2:56 pm) Also it looks like Mazada/Rondo does not have really good MPG - but I think they can improve it. I'm less optimistic about MPG improvement for big minivans as they had a lot of time to do it with no result. I'm speaking about old fashion improvement (without hybrid). Diesel will also big help as it takes about 30% less fuel. About less comfort in smaller cars - yes we have to give up comfort that we can not afford. I think next on funeral list are big houses (and actually not so big like 2500-3000 sq.ft.) as people will not be able to pay heating and electric /AC bills
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A reporter would like to speak with consumers who are thinking about trading in a gas-guzzler for a more fuel-efficient vehicle. If you are in the process of making this decision, please respond to jwahl edmunds.com with your daytime contact information no later than Wednesday, July 22nd.
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Mazda 5: June 2008 - 1,281 vs 1,156 for June 2007 YTD 2008 - 7,848 vs 6,398 for June 2007 Rondo June 2008 - 935 vs 830 for Jun 2007 YTD 2008 - 5,170 vs 3,445 for June 2007 for US readers keep in mind that the US market is 9.5 times larger than Canada |
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Replying to: uzv (Jul 21, 2008 2:16 pm) they can improve it. My 2008 Mazda 5 gets 29-31 MPG in mixed city/suburban driving on every tank. Including the first two tanks, the lifetime average (~6500 miles) is above 28 MPG -- with only one highway trip of 90 miles. Regardless of what you think, I see a relatively safe, six-seat, 3500 lb., automatic transmission, sub-$20k, 30 MPG vehicle as doing pretty well. I'm less optimistic about MPG improvement for big minivans as they had a lot of time to do it with no result. My 1996 Dodge Grand Caravan averaged around 20 MPG on my annual 3000 mile trip. It's highest ever mileage was 23 MPG -- (later model years did a bit better). My 2007 Toyota Sienna averaged 25.5 MPG on last year's trip and 25.8 MPG this year -- in all cases, the trips included several hundred miles of stop and go traffic in major cities. The high for the Sienna on this year's trip was 29.0 MPG -- topped-off and hand calculated over 400 miles. For comparison, the Sienna weighs 4200 lbs, vs. the Dodge's 3700 lbs, it (Sienna) has 13 cu ft more cargo volume, an additional seat, 109 HP more, 8 more air bags and does 0-60 in under 7 seconds. So, more power, more weight, better safety AND almost a 30% improvement in mileage. Not bad... Drive train efficiency gains cause corresponding percentage improvements in cars and minivans equally. Diesel will also big help as it takes about 30% less fuel. I filled-up this weekend for $3.739 (87 Octane). Diesel was $5.139 at the same station. Dollars/mile, matter to me, not MPG. At these prices, diesel offers no advantage. At a smaller percentage spread, it might, depending on the difference in purchase price between a diesel and gasoline engine, the mileage difference and the difference in repair costs. |
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