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Replying to: medicineman (Jun 17, 2008 11:07 pm) Now, just because someone prefers better looking cars, it doesn't mean they suffer from having short "members" (no need to go into measurements here (lol), but I've always been happy and proud of myself, and so has my wife  . Also, how do you explain the 5 women I was with, 3 of whom know nothing about cars, who also very much disliked the Rondo and its styling and preferred the 5? Do they have short members, too? LOL) . It simply means they like good looking cars and appreciate good design. Nothing more. All this "pc-ness" is really tiring. Preferences and opinions can, in deed, be wrong. Someone out there just might prefer a White Castle hamburger over a real Angus hamburger. Does this, then, mean that the Angus burger stops being a better burger? Obviously not. Filet Mignon is still a better quality meat than chuck steak, even if I love chuck steak. Aretha Franklin is a better singer than Britney Spears. No matter how many crazy fans love Britney's voice, Franklin has a higher quality voice. This is what I mean by "better is better regardless of preference", and, now, regardless of criteria. A family may need an under $30K 7-passenger minivan. Does that mean that a Mercedes GL series stops being a better car than their Chevy Uplander simply because it doesn't meet their criteria? Come on. It might not fit their needs, but it's still a better car. I still stick by my original posting. Objectively, The Mazda 5 is a better car than the Kia Rondo, even if the Rondo is slightly larger inside and, technically, fits 7 people, and the M5 only 6. It simply feels as its built to a higher standard of overall quality, refinement, design and styling, thereby making it a better car regardless of the fact that someone may need a rear bench seat as opposed to the inherently more comfortable captain chairs. And, again, I never said that someone choosing a Rondo over a 5 makes them delusional. I said claiming that it is a better car than the 5 makes them delusional, as would an owner claiming their Uplander is better than a GL series. And I'm not claiming they need to be committed, either. There is more than one meaning to the word delusion. (Link - www.dictionary.com: Delusion #3 - A false belief or opinion (ex: delusions of grandeur). Nothing more.) Mind you all, I really WANTED to like the Rondo. I did. Honestly! But, it sorely disappointed me, and it made me appreciate my 5 even more. I don't like to be an "armchair philosopher" which is why I wanted to actually experience a Rondo before I wrote about it and compared it to the 5. And that's what I wanted to do: share that experience in a Mazda 5 vs Kia Rondo forum, and have a little harmless fun in the process. But, it seems as though Kia owners really don't like to have fun, which is why they didn't buy a Mazda in the first place  . (That was a harmless joke, now, people. Don't be getting all offended) Side note: Edmunds listed MSRP for M5 = $18,945 Edmunds listed MSRP for Rondo = $16,395. Difference = $2,550. A big enough reason for many to choose the Rondo.
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Replying to: conwelpic (Jun 18, 2008 4:55 am) Enjoy your Rondo! |
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Replying to: nissmazlover (Jun 18, 2008 12:15 pm) Why? Who knows. Most has to do probably with price. But the funny thing is that those folks will then try to say that their vehicle is better than the Odyssey, Corolla or whatever instead of simply saying that they didn't want to spend the money. Or even if money wasn't the only issue, people make bad decisions all the time and just because someone buys a car and says it was best based on their criteria doesn't make it so. They may have made the wrong choice but don't know it yet and/or don't want to admit it. Most people don't aren't going to spend $20K on a vehicle, take it home and then complain about how bad it is. That's why the various car reviews are benificial...the reviewers don't have a personal stake in the vehicle. On the other hand, you can tell when one is trying to be objective and tell both side, as compared to someone who is just trying to convince everyone (and mostly themselves) that their car is the best. I'd say from what I've read from the reviews and my own experience, the Mazda5 is a superior vehicle, but then if you must have seating for 7 or need to tow, then the Mazda5 isn't even on your short list. As far as price and warranty, Kia owners will find out what a "limited" warranty really means when they start having problems down the road. I'd much rather have a higher quality car with a shorter waranty then vice versa. And personally, I'd much rather drive a vehicle with superior driving dynamics then ride in a vehicle with slightly larger 2nd row legroom. The cargo area of the Mazda5 is actually larger behind the 2nd row (44.4 vs 31.7CuFt according to the manufacturer's websites). I also like the sliding door, plus the 3rd row passengers will get more cool air from the AC vents due to the 2nd row captain chairs. As I mentioned in an earlier post, I bought a Honda Fit over a Nissan Versa for many of the same reasons that I think the Mazda5 is better then the Rondo, and I don't own either of them.
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Replying to: nissmazlover (Jun 18, 2008 12:15 pm) Here we go again! To YOU, the M5 is a better car than the Rondo. To ME, the Rondo is a better car than the M5. And you say "I said claiming that it is a better car than the 5 makes them delusional" Well, I guess I am delusional since I KNOW the Rondo is a better car than the M5, for ME. For YOU, the M5 is a better car than the Rondo. You just can't let it go, can you? |
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Wide sliding doors? Find and pictures credited to a fellow Mazda5 owner...   ">
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Replying to: bgw (Jun 18, 2008 2:38 pm) Last time I'll try to reason with you or any other Rondo owners that feel similary: Just because you bought the Rondo and it fits your criteria and you consider it better for you, it doesn't automatically make it a better car than the 5. It just isn't, and you can't accept it. OF COURSE you think the Rondo is a better car for YOU. YOU made the decision to buy it! It still doesn't change the fact that, in general, the 5 is a better car. Period. Back in the 80's, many people started buying Excels and thought their cars were perfect for them and their "criteria". By your admission and reasoning, this fact alone would inherently make their Excels better than the Civics, Corollas and Sentras that were also available to them simply because their car fit their criteria. HELLO! How does this make any sense? Regardless of their preference or decision, there were better cars out there! And, those cars didn't stop being better just because some people decided to buy Excels instead! Same is the case for the Rondo. Decent car? Yes. Perfect for you? Fine. Better car than the M5? Definitely not, regardless of your criteria or preference.
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Replying to: bobw3 (Jun 18, 2008 1:26 pm) So, question, how have you experienced the 5? Do you own one? Have you test driven it? If so, what year? The 2008's are even better than the 06 and 07s. I had an 06, first, and I loved it. Then, traded up to an 08, and love it even more.
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Replying to: nissmazlover (Jun 19, 2008 8:30 am) Our small car is a Honda Fit, so I'm looking at cars like a Honda Fit with 3 rows and there aren't many out there...at least not yet! I think Honda and Toyota will bring to the US one of their compact 3 row cars like the Honda Stream sometime in the future, so that will be good competition for this sector. Until then, I agree that the Mazda5 is the better of the two vehicles, but maybe not in such an extreme way as you
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Replying to: bobw3 (Jun 19, 2008 8:40 am) A three row Fit would be cool! |
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