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Mazda 5 vs Kia Rondo

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Re: Okay, if you say so [garnermike] by kubas
Jun 09, 2008 (9:33 am)
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Replying to: garnermike (Jun 09, 2008 8:15 am)

But you can't get a fully loaded 7-seat Rondo with I4. And V-6 is not great on gas. I drive to work every day (10 miles one way), in really heavy traffic (90% bumper to bumper, Boston) and still getting 23MPG. I was expecting something around 19 MPG.
I paid 22500$ for my M5 but the dealer also paid 1000$ more than KBB excellent value for my Sonata.
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Not criticizing your personal decision by garnermike
Jun 09, 2008 (10:31 am)
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Replying to: kubas (Jun 09, 2008 9:33 am)

...I suspect you got a great automobile in the Mazda5, and based the decision on all the factors, including MPG and options available. 23 mpg in that kind of driving is very good; I'd get 20 mpg in the Rondo.
 
I got a 7-seater LX I-4 Rondo with all the options I wanted. As I noted, I'm happy with the overall mpg. I paid $9,700 plus my trade--a 2001 Canry with 80,000 miles. Dealer gave me $800 over KBB at the time, i.e. $7000, for it. Total cost for the Rondo was $16,700.
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Did you say Canadians love Mazda5s? by coolmazda5
Jun 10, 2008 (7:00 am)
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They are even born in them
 
http://www.canada.com/topics/news/national/story.html?id=222b561d-9bb3-463b-8b35- -6317f0f87ddc
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I'm sorry, but... by nissmazlover
Jun 11, 2008 (10:35 am)
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The Rondo is NO match for the 5! There's just no comparison. I have been holding off writing in this section of the forum until I spent enough time in a Rondo to fairly compare it to my 5. But, I can safely say that you definitely get what you pay for with the Kia, and that it just can't hold a candle to the 5. It has its merits, to be honest, but, all in all, I really disliked the Rondo.
  
We just recently returned from a trip to Puerto Rico where we rented a Rondo. I, willfully, picked it since I wanted to compare it to my 5 and since I wanted a car with an Auxiliary port for our iPods. First disappointment: The LX didn't have an Aux port! We had to contend with a few CD's we had for the trip. Second disappointment: none of us found the seats truly comfortable and their material seemed cheap. Third immediately apparent disappointment: the steering. It was HORRIBLE! It felt like a rubber band. And, I had to contend with many "broken K" turns that my 5 wouldn't handled as proper "U Turns" since the Rondo's turning circle was significantly larger than that of the 5's.
  
Some positives: the AC worked well! The engine has good pick up - felt powerful. And the build quality of the interior was good, too! See? I can be objective. I also liked the various nooks and compartments in the front and in the rear-most sections where one can hold stuff. Also, I like the styling of the REAR of the car, only. The rest is WAY too dorky - an opinion shared by all seven of us who went on the trip.
  
Another positive was the fact that all seven of us could fit in the Rondo. We wanted to travel together and that helped out. BUT, we were regretful of that decision. The suspension, which at first seemed just ALRIGHT (actually, TOO soft, yet contradictory, since it would still let in harsh impacts way too...well, harshly) completely bottomed out and practically fell apart when we were all in. It's definitely NOT meant to carry seven passengers! The ones riding in the back were very uncomfortable and their butts literally HURT when they got out of the car due to all the unfiltered bumps we experienced. To be fair in my assessment, I no longer carried that many people in the car, but even with just four adults riding inside all bumps came through harshly. We were all in agreement in saying that the suspension outright SUCKED, and all agreed that my 5 rode WAY better. Again, the suspension gave the impression that it was soft and provided a comfortable ride, until a bump/pothole presented itself. Then, the truth of the cheapness of it came through loud and clear. NONE of us 7 liked the suspension, much less the car, overall.
  
The handling also left MUCH to be desired. Whereas I revel in turns and curves and roundabouts in my 5 (singing "zoom zoom zoom" in my head all the while), I proceeded with caution in the Rondo. The car's steering, as previously mentioned, felt like a rubberband and just felt CHEAP; the Rondo rolled heavily and just couldn't keep up with any speed through any curve or corner or turn. NO fun driving this thing at ALL!
  
Another disappointment, even though I had the LX 4 cylinder, the fuel economy was disappointing. The 5 definitely gets better gas mileage AND it is SIGNIFICANTLY noticeable! We drove a mix of city and highway and the Rondo, with a full tank of gas, couldn't reach 300 miles of travel, whereas with my 5 that is a regular occurrence. It wasn't even great on highway alone. Another thing we definitely missed: cruise control. The Kia didn't have it. I thought this would have been standard in such a supposedly "well-equipped" car at a low price. Whatever!
  
To sum it up, when five of our friends left back to NY and my wife and I stayed in PR, we disliked the Rondo so much that we ended up going back to the rental agency and going through the hassle of exchanging it for the remainder of our trip. I ended up taking a new Scion XD and was very impressed with the car. We both liked it very much and enjoyed its comfort, its good handling, and its great sound system where we heard our songs from our iPod through its auxiliary port.
  
The 5's looks are so much better than that of the Rondo's, and it looks infinitely cooler and sportier. The 5 drives WAY better, rides WAY nicer, handles a MILLION times better, has a way better tranny and feels WAY more refined than the Rondo. The interior is better, too. The seats, in and of themselves, are more comfortable than the Rondo (my 6'4" friend agreed) including the third row. The 5 gets better fuel economy, has a better sound system and MANY more conveniences are offered over the Rondo. Besides the fact that the Rondo can TECHNICALLY hold 7 people vs. the 6 people the 5 can hold, I can't think of ANY advantage the Rondo has over the 5. Even its cheaper price isn't really an advantage since you get a CHEAPER car that definitely FEELS cheaper, too. Sorry, just had to add my two cents for all those deluded Rondo owners out there who try to convince themselves that their car is better than the 5.
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Good that you feel that way by garnermike
Jun 11, 2008 (11:39 am)
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Replying to: nissmazlover (Jun 11, 2008 10:35 am)

You are a Mazda 5 owner. I'd urge you to go find a Mazda 5 forum site and wax til your heart's content.
 
I am a Rondo owner. I am loving it. I note that in several reviews I've seen, Rondo bests the 5, so I know there are those out there who feel the same as I do, and differently than you do.
 
To each his own.
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Re: I'm sorry, but... [nissmazlover] by bgw
Jun 11, 2008 (1:32 pm)
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Replying to: nissmazlover (Jun 11, 2008 10:35 am)

I don't think that nissmazlover actually drove a Rondo. I think he is an armchair philosopher and nothing more, blowing off steam against a vehicle that is quite a bit better than an M5 for a lot of people, myself included.
If he does drive one in the future, he'll have to eat his words and change his name to formermazlover...
I have an 07 EX V6 Luxury, and disagree with all his negative comments energetically.
Nissmazlover,I think you should ACTUALLY drive a Rondo, or maybe you are afraid you will like it?
Yes, the M5 is a nice vehicle, really nice for that matter. See, I can be objective too.
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Re: I'm sorry, but... [bgw] by mrbwa1
Jun 11, 2008 (2:16 pm)
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Replying to: bgw (Jun 11, 2008 1:32 pm)

I think it is in the nature of forums that people tend to be polarized quite a bit. I believe that the Rondo is a nice car, but when I was looking, I noticed a difference between the LX and EX models. The EXs were just that much nicer. Unfortunately, the EX tends to cost more.
 
 I have a 5 and love it, but see how the Rondo appeals to others. The 5 is very much biased towards sport and the driving dynamics and ride show it to a certain extent. This is not saying that the Rondo is terrible. I imagine it handles decently (most everything made in the last 10 years handles fairly well!), but that small difference between nice handling and the sporty edge is a big deal to some people.
 
My sticking point will always be the sliding doors. There are just too important to me as a new-ish parent. I have read some other comments about the Rondo having a hard time with 7 on board. I have done 6 in the 5, but it was only 4 adults and 2 kids. I have also done 5 adults in the 5 and it handled it well
, but the suspension has bottomed out with 5 on board over a large speed bump (well unusually large that is).
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Re: I'm sorry, but... [bgw] by maltb
Jun 11, 2008 (2:19 pm)
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Replying to: bgw (Jun 11, 2008 1:32 pm)

"If he does drive one in the future, he'll have to eat his words and change his name to formermazlover... "
 
The real question is, will you eat your words and take the rainbow sticker off your car when he posts his vacation pics showing that he did, in-fact, drive it?
 
I am pretty surprised by the two empty responses to his post.
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Why surprised? by garnermike
Jun 11, 2008 (3:40 pm)
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Replying to: maltb (Jun 11, 2008 2:19 pm)

There's no use in sending a reasoned, point-by-point response to such an e-mail. It basically is an emotional diatribe that says Rondo owners don't know what they are talking about, and that we made a "HORRIBLE" (his emphasis) choice.
 
Look, from a pretty good website review
(http://carfamily.wordpress.com/2008/04/29/buyers-guide-to-station-wagons-gas-mi- leage-and-safety/)
the 2 cars are lauded. No need to imply that people's judgment and choices are wrong.
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Re: Why surprised? [garnermike] by bgw
Jun 11, 2008 (4:26 pm)
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Replying to: garnermike (Jun 11, 2008 3:40 pm)

Well said, garnermike, well said.

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