- #381 of 806
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Re: We chose Mzd5 over Rondo [mrs_t]
by kubas
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Jun 04, 2008 (1:08 pm)
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Replying to: mrs_t (Jun 01, 2008 11:16 am)
I've driven both Kia Rondo and M5 and after that I decided to go with M5 and bought GT version. The Rondo seemed OK to me (it appears to be slightly bigger than M5 )when I drove it but I was not amazed by it. The suspension of the Rondo is to soft to me, steering not precise and the exterior design is boring (but this is a personal preference). I tried I4 and V6 and have to say the latter was much better. I didn't like the leather - the texture was similar to vinyl, same with leather on steering wheel. What I didn't like as well was fact that there are many things you can't even get as an option - Bluetooth, Xenon lights, automatic climate control, Homelink, NAV, etc. The MPG of 2008 M5 is much better than both versions of the Rondo while the new 5-speed transmission of M5 significantly improved both MPG and performance. The European crash test results (more strict then US) for Mazda (5 stars) are much better then for the Rondo (4 stars). The warranty for the Rondo is much better, though.
My previous car was 06 Sonata V6 and it was much faster then M5 but M5 drives much better.
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- #382 of 806
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How so?
by garnermike
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Jun 07, 2008 (4:52 am)
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Replying to: kubas (Jun 04, 2008 1:08 pm)
You say "The MPG of 2008 M5 is much better than both versions of the Rondo". How is that?
Rondo I-4 = 19/26, V6 = 18/26
Mazda 5 = 21/28
"Much better"? Given that EPA says mileage will vary by type o driving, driving habits and even the individual automobile you own?
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- #383 of 806
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Re: We chose Mzd5 over Rondo [kubas]
by baron64
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Jun 07, 2008 (7:46 am)
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Replying to: kubas (Jun 04, 2008 1:08 pm)
I've ben comparing these two also. However, the deciding factor for me is that the Mazda doesn't even come close to the Kia when it comes to safety. The Mazda doesn't offer vehicle stability/taction control. To me, I won't buy a vehicle without that basic safety feature. Does anyone know if the 09 M5 will offer that?
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- #384 of 806
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Re: How so? [garnermike]
by kubas
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Jun 07, 2008 (7:19 pm)
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Replying to: garnermike (Jun 07, 2008 4:52 am)
When I was an owner of the Sonata I've driven a few Hyundai and Kia cars (mostly loaners) and their stop&go (heavy traffic) MPG was always 1-3 miles lower than EPA estimated (15-16MPG). Mazda so far is giving me 2 miles more to the gallon than estimated (23MPG) in exactly same driving conditions. The difference between 16 and 23 is quite big. This observation has been confirmed by other users opinions I've read on Mazda and Kia forums.
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- #385 of 806
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North American sales of Mazda 5 and Rondo
by conwelpic
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Jun 08, 2008 (2:41 pm)
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May 2008 sales:
USA:
Rondo - 1566
Mazda 5 - 2076
(this is the first time in the US that the Mazda 5 has passed the Rondo in sales since April 2007)
Canada:
Rondo - 1001
Mazda 5 - 1509
(in Canada the Mazda 5 has always outsold the Rondo)
For comparison the US population is 9.5 times larger than Canada
2008 Rondo EX
PEC, Ontario, Canada
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- #386 of 806
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Re: North American sales of Mazda 5 and Rondo [conwelpic]
by coolmazda5
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Jun 08, 2008 (3:35 pm)
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Replying to: conwelpic (Jun 08, 2008 2:41 pm)
North America? Where is Mexico? Mazda sold 91 Mazda5s down there in December 07 
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- #387 of 806
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Okay, if you say so
by garnermike
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Jun 09, 2008 (8:15 am)
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Replying to: kubas (Jun 07, 2008 7:19 pm)
Assuming you'd be getting 15-16 city mpg in a Rondo, based on your experiences with other Hyundai/Kia models, is a stretch, IMHO.
My I-4 Rondo mpg in pure city driving is 20 and my pure hwy mpg is 30. I average 25 mpg.
Can I ask what you paid for your Mazda5?
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- #388 of 806
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Re: Okay, if you say so [garnermike]
by kubas
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Jun 09, 2008 (9:33 am)
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Replying to: garnermike (Jun 09, 2008 8:15 am)
But you can't get a fully loaded 7-seat Rondo with I4. And V-6 is not great on gas. I drive to work every day (10 miles one way), in really heavy traffic (90% bumper to bumper, Boston) and still getting 23MPG. I was expecting something around 19 MPG.
I paid 22500$ for my M5 but the dealer also paid 1000$ more than KBB excellent value for my Sonata.
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- #389 of 806
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Not criticizing your personal decision
by garnermike
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Jun 09, 2008 (10:31 am)
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Replying to: kubas (Jun 09, 2008 9:33 am)
...I suspect you got a great automobile in the Mazda5, and based the decision on all the factors, including MPG and options available. 23 mpg in that kind of driving is very good; I'd get 20 mpg in the Rondo.
I got a 7-seater LX I-4 Rondo with all the options I wanted. As I noted, I'm happy with the overall mpg. I paid $9,700 plus my trade--a 2001 Canry with 80,000 miles. Dealer gave me $800 over KBB at the time, i.e. $7000, for it. Total cost for the Rondo was $16,700.
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- #390 of 806
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Did you say Canadians love Mazda5s?
by coolmazda5
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Jun 10, 2008 (7:00 am)
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They are even born in them 
http://www.canada.com/topics/news/national/story.html?id=222b561d-9bb3-463b-8b35- -6317f0f87ddc
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