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Replying to: toronado455 (Jul 21, 2007 9:09 pm) If it is an Auto Transmission, yes, I would agree. Now, I have a Manual so the 4cyl works great. Wife is the primary driver and she has no issues with the HP (I should also say she does not drive nor accelerate like I do  ) I used to have a 1st gen Dodge Caravan (SWB) V6 and it was very similar in size. The mainstream minivans have all gotten so big and bloated they can hardly be called "mini" anymore. So it's great to see at least two offerings in this size. Yes, I agree. Somebody told me last time that my Mazda5 had "just" the size of the very first generation Honda Odyssey (like a sign of going backwards) so I replied: "Well, it is not intended to compete against minivans, plus I don't need a bigger car, it is just the ideal size to me"
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Replying to: vegasrondo (Jul 21, 2007 5:59 pm)
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Replying to: toronado455 (Jul 21, 2007 9:09 pm) Actual dimensions are OK, actually many people have mentioned the same thing, that Rondo has more space... But now, I have carried 5 "tall" adults, a baby on a car seat and a folded stroller in the back of the 3rd row (one of those large Gracos) and all fit greatly. I have done it once in the lifetime of the car though. I don't carry adults in the back 99% of the time so to me is not very relevant. As per pure cargo (lugagge, swingsets, you name it) I posted these pics below sometime ago in a non-Edmunds forum. I did not do a thorough analysis on dimensions, but see how versatile the Mazda5 is. I don't need more than that if you ask     
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Replying to: coolmazda5 (Jul 22, 2007 4:21 am) "Ideal size" may not be in the American vocabulary where "bigger is always better".  I think the 1st gen Odyssey was perfectly sized. Though I do prefer sliding rear doors like on the Mazda5. You may recall the little Mitsubishi Expo LRV from the early 90s had sliding rear doors too, while the larger Expo (non-LRV) had regular opening rear doors like the Rondo and 1st gen Odyssey. There were some other good designs then like the tall Nissan Stanza Wagon and Nissan Axxess. (The Axxess we only had in the USA for a single model year but was sold for 5 years in Canada.) http://www.canadiandriver.com/articles/jc/90-95axxess.htm Really, here in the USA, we have only a fraction of what they have elsewhere in the world.  Just looking at the cornucopia on this page... http://www.toyota.co.jp/en/about_toyota/manufacturing/product.html it becomes apparent that most vehicles outside the USA are some variation on the hatchback/wagon/"MPV" small minivan theme. More pics of these can be found here: http://www.cars-directory.net/gallery/toyota/ The SUV is really not the best replacement for the station wagon. Chrysler had it right in 1984 with the original Caravan/Voyager. It took way too long for the Japanese automakers to bring something really competitive to the table in the USA. And now everythings just gone all SUV-crazy. All I can say is hopefully sales of the Mazda5 and Rondo will set a new trend toward offering sensible, smaller minivans in the USA market.
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After reading this forum and doing other research, my wife and I finally bought a Kia Rondo LX, v6, 7 seater. We have a one year old and another on the way, and plan on a big family. We bought the Rondo a month ago from a dealer in Auburn WA, and absolutely love it. We have used it as a moving truck from a condo to a house, and it's load capacity is great. Our favorite thing about it, though, is the visibility - it doesn't look as cool as the sleek, high waisted comparable cars, but it makes such a difference to see out of all the windows. Our one year old is clearly engaged with the outside because he can actually see it now. Our experience with the dealer wasn't great (ask, and I'll tell you...), but the car itself is a pleasure to drive and has suited our needs to a "T." Tomas |
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Replying to: dakota29803 (Jul 22, 2007 4:58 am) |
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Replying to: coolmazda5 (Jul 22, 2007 4:02 am) ! Of all the cars I have had, 16 MPG for a new engine in the middle of a miserable summer really isn't bad. If I am still getting 16 MPG in January, then Houston We Have A Problem Just for the heck of it, I'll top off the tank and take a 50 mile all highway drive. Stay tuned.
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Replying to: vegasrondo (Jul 23, 2007 4:47 pm)
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Replying to: toronado455 (Jul 23, 2007 10:03 am) All I can say is hopefully sales of the Mazda5 and Rondo will set a new trend toward offering sensible, smaller minivans in the USA market. Yep, this one of my aims for being in these forums . By the time I need to replace my Mazda5, I would like to see more of these models as possible options in the future. In addition, if gas goes up (~$6.82 per gallon in Germany) it will support the cause. Axxess and Stanza Wagon. Well, I've seen them around but never attracted me (even when those were new. They were functional but very ugly). I realize that designing this type of cars is very difficult, that is why when I saw the Mazda5 (very functional, spacious PLUS a good looking design) I really liked it. My personal view is that the Rondo is very functional but still lacks the good looking design part. Other brands, like Opel and Volkswagen, are also catching up. As example, the first Opel Zafira was ugly, but the new one is much better looking. Same with the VW Touran and, actually, the first Mazda5 (1999-2005 Premacy in Asia) |
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