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Mazda 5 vs Kia Rondo

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Re: compared them at the auto show [rwm2] by prulex
Jun 04, 2007 (8:14 am)
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Replying to: rwm2 (May 16, 2007 12:16 pm)

I would argue that the Forester has more than just it's fantastic AWD system going for it. How about suspension, brakes, fit and finish, engine, and proven Subaru quality? Kia is definitely and up-and-comer, but I don't think it can be put in the category of Subaru just yet.
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Re: compared them at the auto show [prulex] by arumage
Jun 04, 2007 (8:25 am)
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Replying to: prulex (Jun 04, 2007 8:14 am)

All those things are nice, but if you can't fit in the vehicle, what good are they to you? I didn't fit in the Forester. I had to spread my legs apart to keep my knees from hitting the front seat when sitting in the rear. My head also touches the ceiling in the 2nd row. I fit like a glove in the Rondo, even with the driver's seat all the way back.
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Re: compared them at the auto show [prulex] by rwm2
Jun 04, 2007 (4:19 pm)
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Replying to: prulex (Jun 04, 2007 8:14 am)

The category of Subaru? Check this out:
 
http://www.strategicvision.com/auto_segmentwinners.php?year=2007&award=TQA&seg=19
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Re: compared them at the auto show [rwm2] by dakota29803
Jun 08, 2007 (5:58 am)
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Replying to: rwm2 (Jun 04, 2007 4:19 pm)

Go to this site, scroll to the bottom, to see the JD Powers ratings of initial quality of 2007 makes. Kia is just above average, Subaru is way down,
 
http://www.jdpower.com/press-releases/pressrelease.aspx?id=2007088
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Re: JD Power Initial Quality Study by conwelpic
Jun 08, 2007 (2:39 pm)
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Replying to: dakota29803 (Jun 08, 2007 5:58 am)

and to quote "Kia posts the largest improvement in ranking, moving from 24th in 2006 to 12th in 2007", that just shows how fast the quality is improving - should put some of those skeptics to rest!
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Re: JD Power Initial Quality Study [conwelpic] by coolmazda5
Jun 09, 2007 (4:09 am)
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Replying to: conwelpic (Jun 08, 2007 2:39 pm)

conwelpic replied:
and to quote "Kia posts the largest improvement in ranking, moving from 24th in 2006 to 12th in 2007", that just shows how fast the quality is improving - should put some of those skeptics to rest!

 
Good job for KIA (somebody posted the other day that the KIA CEO is a big fan of quality, which always supports this case).
 
Now, as I mentioned earlier, with regards to (wrt.) quality, yes, KIA may have improved greatly if you like, but the car is still a KIA. Quality is supporting KIA to become a better brand, but the skepticism does not only come from quality itself, but also from its unique style, features, design, etc. KIA still lacks style and design to say the least. I would give it another 5 years to get there (i.e. to fight Toyota, Honda or even Nissan).
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Re: compared them at the auto show [arumage] by coolmazda5
Jun 09, 2007 (4:35 am)
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Replying to: arumage (Jun 04, 2007 8:25 am)

Arumage replied:
All those things are nice, but if you can't fit in the vehicle, what good are they to you? I didn't fit in the Forester. I had to spread my legs apart to keep my knees from hitting the front seat when sitting in the rear. My head also touches the ceiling in the 2nd row. I fit like a glove in the Rondo, even with the driver's seat all the way back.

 
The priority to buy a car should be in the seat(s) you and your loved ones drive or ride 95% of the time. Now, if you are chauffeured or have teenager kids 5'9'' or up, Arumage brings a good point. Yet, in that case, I would go for a Lincoln TownCar or a Suburban, not a Rondo, a Forester or a Mazda5.
 
Some questions that could help:
 
- When is the last time I rode in the back seat of my own car? (my case: never, I also have a 1999 Honda, bought brand new)
 
- How many times Have I used the full car capacity, with the 3rd row unfolded, a total of 5 adults, a baby on its car seat and the stroller? (my case: once in 2 years, the big stroller actually fits! but one of its front wheels was sticking out of the 3rd row back seat. Greatest comfort for the passengers: No, accomplished the goal: Yes. Would I do this everyday: No! )
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Re: JD Power Initial Quality Study [coolmazda5] by dakota29803
Jun 09, 2007 (5:31 am)
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Replying to: coolmazda5 (Jun 09, 2007 4:09 am)

I own a Kia and have rented a Kia; I have rented a Nissan, The Kias were far better cars that the Nissan. I used to be a Nissan (actually Datsun)fan, but no more. The Kia is a far better car. If you buy your car for style (looks) at the expense of functionality then go elsewhere. I think the Kia Rondo is a far more attractive car than the Honda Fit, Honda Element or any of the Scions. YMMV
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Re: JD Power Initial Quality Study [dakota29803] by coolmazda5
Jun 09, 2007 (9:47 am)
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Replying to: dakota29803 (Jun 09, 2007 5:31 am)

dakota29803 replied:
If you buy your car for style (looks) at the expense of functionality then go elsewhere

 
Hmmm... I have a Mazda5, so we got the style (looks) at no functionality expense (ask my wife, car is very versatile and looks great )...
 
dakota29803 replied:
I think the Kia Rondo is a far more attractive car than the Honda Fit, Honda Element or any of the Scions

 
I'm 100% with you on that one! The models you listed are ugly .
 
My comment was more oriented to more down-to-earth cars like the Honda Civic, Honda Accord, Honda CR-V, Toyota Camry, Toyota Avalon, Nissan Quest or Nissan Altima (even the 300ZX, but that is not really a concept targeting family cars).
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Re: compared them at the auto show [coolmazda5] by arumage
Jun 09, 2007 (10:05 am)
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Replying to: coolmazda5 (Jun 09, 2007 4:35 am)

I often have my current vehicle, a 1999 Camry, filled to capacity. I also have friends as tall as I am. I wish for those that I am transporting to be comfortable. That goal would be completely unachieved in Mazda5 or Forester. The point is that I don't need a larger vehicle to achieve that goal. I'm 45 minutes from a large city, and with gas being the way it is, we like to travel in the same vehicle. Currently, we have the choice between a Tahoe and an Explorer, or to take two vehicles. None of those propositions is very attractive to me. My mother-in-law and sister-in-law are both fairly short, but my wife, father-in-law, and my sister-in-law's boyfriend are all tall so the Rondo is a perfect fit since two rows are comfortable for those of above average height. The Mazda5's last two rows are not adequate for tall people. The Forester's second row isn't either. Why should I get a vehicle bigger than I need? The other vehicle I am considering at the moment is the Hyundai Santa Fe, which gets poorer gas mileage but has more interior space and better towing, which is a plus for me. Overall length for it is no longer than my Camry either.

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