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Re: compared them at the auto show [conwelpic]
by bobw3
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May 15, 2007 (6:40 am)
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Replying to: conwelpic (Apr 17, 2007 5:39 am)
If you have no need for a 3rd row, then why not the Suburu Forrester or some other station wagon?
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- #141 of 803
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Re: compared them at the auto show [bobw3]
by conwelpic
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May 15, 2007 (3:49 pm)
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Replying to: bobw3 (May 15, 2007 6:40 am)
did check out the Subaru Forester at the same auto show, not bad but was really turned off by the fact that the door windows have no frame - not a very secure feature. They are also $5000 more than the Rondo EX 4-cylinder. Ford Focus has dropped their wagon. Too bad we don't have the selection in MPV's that they have in the UK.
There is a good under floor storage area on the Rondo. When you compare it feature for feature and the price you pay, it takes some beating - but appreciate any feedback as I won't be making a move till the 2008 models arrive.
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- #142 of 803
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Re: compared them at the auto show [bobw3]
by csandste
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May 16, 2007 (12:24 am)
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Replying to: bobw3 (May 15, 2007 6:40 am)
I looked closely at the Forester before buying a Malibu Maxx. I looked at the Rondo before buying my wife an Optima.
IMHO, the Optima is a newer and more enjoyable package than the Forester, although I liked both vehicles.
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- #143 of 803
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Re: compared them at the auto show [csandste]
by conwelpic
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May 16, 2007 (7:07 am)
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Replying to: csandste (May 16, 2007 12:24 am)
At first I didn't know what a Optima was but did some checking and its called the Magentis here in Canada. Nice vehicle but no good to me, as I need the versatility of a hatchback design. We've owned wagons, hatchbacks and sedans in the past and prefer the wagon/hatchback design the best. We have a large dog - Golden Retriever and our current sedan is not very good for "dog travel".
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- #144 of 803
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Re: compared them at the auto show [csandste]
by rwm2
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May 16, 2007 (12:16 pm)
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Replying to: csandste (May 16, 2007 12:24 am)
In my opinion, Foresters are too small inside. The rear seat feels cramped. The Rondo is four inches wider than the Forester. Compared to the Rondo, the only thing going for the Forester is AWD.
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- #145 of 803
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Re: compared them at the auto show [rwm2]
by prulex
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Jun 04, 2007 (8:14 am)
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Replying to: rwm2 (May 16, 2007 12:16 pm)
I would argue that the Forester has more than just it's fantastic AWD system going for it. How about suspension, brakes, fit and finish, engine, and proven Subaru quality? Kia is definitely and up-and-comer, but I don't think it can be put in the category of Subaru just yet.
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- #146 of 803
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Re: compared them at the auto show [prulex]
by arumage
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Jun 04, 2007 (8:25 am)
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Replying to: prulex (Jun 04, 2007 8:14 am)
All those things are nice, but if you can't fit in the vehicle, what good are they to you?  I didn't fit in the Forester. I had to spread my legs apart to keep my knees from hitting the front seat when sitting in the rear. My head also touches the ceiling in the 2nd row. I fit like a glove in the Rondo, even with the driver's seat all the way back.
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- #147 of 803
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Re: compared them at the auto show [prulex]
by rwm2
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Jun 04, 2007 (4:19 pm)
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Replying to: prulex (Jun 04, 2007 8:14 am)
The category of Subaru? Check this out:
http://www.strategicvision.com/auto_segmentwinners.php?year=2007&award=TQA&seg=19
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- #148 of 803
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Re: compared them at the auto show [rwm2]
by dakota29803
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Jun 08, 2007 (5:58 am)
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Replying to: rwm2 (Jun 04, 2007 4:19 pm)
Go to this site, scroll to the bottom, to see the JD Powers ratings of initial quality of 2007 makes. Kia is just above average, Subaru is way down,
http://www.jdpower.com/press-releases/pressrelease.aspx?id=2007088
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- #149 of 803
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Re: JD Power Initial Quality Study
by conwelpic
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Jun 08, 2007 (2:39 pm)
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Replying to: dakota29803 (Jun 08, 2007 5:58 am)
and to quote "Kia posts the largest improvement in ranking, moving from 24th in 2006 to 12th in 2007", that just shows how fast the quality is improving - should put some of those skeptics to rest!
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