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Mazda 5 vs Kia Rondo

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Re: A Key Difference b/w the 5 and Rondo/Sedona ... [dakota29803] by idavidson
Jan 20, 2007 (1:17 pm)
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Replying to: dakota29803 (Jan 20, 2007 6:37 am)

"I think that this has a lot more to do with the dealership (they are privately owned franchises) than it does with the manufacturer."
 
No. Not at all. It's all to do with the manufactuer
as they effectively pay the dealer when doing warranty
work. Maybe some dealer will do work for free, but
I severely doubt it.
 
For example, my driver side sliding door locks froze
and broke. I had heard on this forum this a common
problem. I bought it in to the dealer and asked him
to fix both locks since its a dangerous problem. They
pointed out, it was totally up to the discretion of
Mazda as they were paying for the service.
#106 of 806
Re: A Key Difference b/w the 5 and Rondo/Sedona ... [idavidson] by dakota29803
Jan 21, 2007 (6:11 am)
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Replying to: idavidson (Jan 20, 2007 1:17 pm)

It is true that the manufacturer reimburses the dealer for warranty work, but not at the same profit margin that the dealers shop can make on non warranty work. If the dealer's shop is full, many would try to avoid warranty work, but other more far sighted dealers, realize that customer satisfaction is worth more in the long run.
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Re: A Key Difference b/w the 5 and Rondo/Sedona ... [dakota29803] by idavidson
Jan 21, 2007 (1:52 pm)
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Replying to: dakota29803 (Jan 21, 2007 6:11 am)

"If the dealer's shop is full, many would try to avoid warranty work"
 
I'm not sure where you getting your information ...
 
A dealer cannot refuse to do warranty work. Period.
 
I asked Mazda this since I bought my car from out of town.
Mazda USA informed that part of the dealer franchise
contract is to service all warranty claims in a timely
fashion.
#108 of 806
Re: A Key Difference b/w the 5 and Rondo/Sedona ... [idavidson] by csandste
Jan 21, 2007 (4:31 pm)
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Replying to: idavidson (Jan 21, 2007 1:52 pm)

I think both post 106 and 107 are correct.
 
The dealer can't refuse warranty work, on the other hand if things are backed up and they can make more money on non-warranty work, basic customer service can suffer.
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Re: A Key Difference b/w the 5 and Rondo/Sedona ... [idavidson] by maltb
Jan 24, 2007 (5:11 pm)
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Replying to: idavidson (Jan 21, 2007 1:52 pm)

"A dealer cannot refuse to do warranty work. Period."
 
I've seen it happen. There once was this dealer in NJ who refused warranty work on vehicles that were not sold by that dealer. The factory could do nothing about it because it was not part of the franchise agreement.
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Re: A Key Difference b/w the 5 and Rondo/Sedona ... [idavidson] by dakota29803
Jan 25, 2007 (7:22 am)
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Replying to: idavidson (Jan 21, 2007 1:52 pm)

I thought the whole point of this thread was dealers refusing to do warranty work because the owner did not follow the letter of the warranty requirements (See message 100). Now you are saying that that cannot happen period. I agree with the original poster. Some dealers can and do refuse warranty work if they can find a loophole.
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Pennzoil and Quaker both offer 300K engine warranties by csandste
Jan 25, 2007 (7:25 pm)
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Replying to: dakota29803 (Jan 25, 2007 7:22 am)

for oil related engine failure if you change every 4000 miles-- haven't checked their web site it might be slightly less or slightly more.
 
The point is, that oil related engine failure is extremely rare in any car unless you run the engine well past 4K. My Malibu Maxx's oil life monitor shows 7000+ change intervals-- although the GM OHV engine is probably a lot easier on oil than any Hyundai/Kia unit.
 
Assume for a moment that oil was changed at 4000 miles (a thousand more than the severe cycle but 3000 less than the extended if the Rondo is like my Optima).
 
Are you saying that some dealers would refuse warranty work on (say) an alternator if your oil change receipts weren't for 3000 miles?
 
If so, that's a pretty low end dealer network.
 
I went with Kia rather than Sonata because I liked the local dealer better. My Hyundai dealer charged me $120 to change rear bulbs on my Elantra (only car I've ever had that I couldn't figure out how to do it), and $100 when I lost a gas cap, replaced it with an aftermarket unit and drove for a year at which point the engine light came on.
 
I generally changed oil on a 4000 mile cycle (I did do a used oil analysis with almost no appreciable wear) -- thank god the dealer didn't try to get out of the few warranty claims (i.e. neutral safety switch failure) because of any inconsistancies in my service record.
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Re: Pennzoil and Quaker both offer 300K engine warranties [csandste] by dakota29803
Jan 26, 2007 (6:19 am)
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Replying to: csandste (Jan 25, 2007 7:25 pm)

The recommended oil change interval on my Rondo is 7500 miles. My wife's Buick Lucerne has the oil change interval calculated on the car computer. Currently it is projecting over 10,000 miles for the first oil change. Tires have to be rotated more often than oil changes.
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Re: Pennzoil and Quaker both offer 300K engine warranties [csandste] by jeffpurd
Jan 27, 2007 (5:58 am)
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Replying to: csandste (Jan 25, 2007 7:25 pm)

From personal experience with Mazda (very recently), I can assure you that the manufacturers are getting much more aggressive with restrictions on coverage of engine issues if you don't have all your evidence.
 
Probably natural because the quality of the drivetrains has improved to the point such that owner neglect may now be a leading cause of issues. If you change your own oil - keep the receipts of your purchases and log your activities religiously. Follow the schedule in the manual to a t.
#114 of 806
Re: Pennzoil and Quaker both offer 300K engine warranties [dakota29803] by csandste
Jan 27, 2007 (12:00 pm)
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Replying to: dakota29803 (Jan 26, 2007 6:19 am)

doesn't the Rondo have a 3000 mile severe changing cycle. If not Kia has changed things between the Optima and Rondo...strange.

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