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Can Chrysler Turn It Around in Bankruptcy?

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Project plan by iuliuscaesar
Jul 27, 2009 (1:36 am)
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In the North America marketplace in 2011 there will be only 3 cars
with an italian brand (Ferrari and Maserati is another target)
- Fiat 500 ("Small" platform)
- Alfa Romeo Mito ("B-Evo")
- Alfa Romeo "940 project" ("C-Evo")
There will be a little suv, Jeep "Panda" ("Small"), clone of the Fiat Panda 4x4 Cross.
In 2012:
- Alfa Romeo "944 project" ("D-Evo"), station wagon version from 2013
- Alfa Romeo "new Brera" ("D-Evo")
- Alfa Romeo new Spider ("D-Evo")
- Fiat new Punto ("B-Evo")
These cars are confirmed in the project plan of the group and will be made
in north america, in the Chrysler factories. These 4 platforms are the base
of the new versions of actual Dodge, Chrysler and Jeep cars and the new small-size cars with american brand.
Alfa Romeo probably will construct 3 more cars: a little suv (size of BMW X1 on
"C-Evo" platform), a big sedan (like Mercedes E-class, on "LX" platform (300C))
and a Big SUV ("2011 Jeep Gran Cherokee Platform").
The marketplace will guide the company, ok, Fiat has many other small cars in european market that could be good for US marketplace, and has another brand "Lancia" with other models.
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Chrysler Fiat future by wtd44
Jul 27, 2009 (5:52 am)
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Replying to: iuliuscaesar (Jul 27, 2009 1:36 am)

I hope they can hold on long enough for success to take hold. It would be intriguing to have a European based car line available, with at least some carrying Chrysler brand names, and not be clones from Germany.
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Re: Project plan [iuliuscaesar] by gagrice
Jul 27, 2009 (6:05 am)
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Replying to: iuliuscaesar (Jul 27, 2009 1:36 am)

If they only offer the cheapo gas versions of the Fiat & Alfa, they are doomed to failure. Only the diesel models that get great mileage will be winners for Chrysler. They need some winners to stay in business.
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Re: Project plan [gagrice] by wtd44
Jul 27, 2009 (6:23 am)
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Replying to: gagrice (Jul 27, 2009 6:05 am)

How do you figure? Diesel is what it is, but in America it has yet to really catch on as a desired alternative. I am not against diesel, but the populace of American vehicle operators seems to be little interested in it. Alfa and Fiat gasoline models selling at popular prices at least have a shot at success. Perhaps some "brand engineering" with name plates would boost sales.
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Re: Project plan [wtd44] by gagrice
Jul 27, 2009 (7:46 am)
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Replying to: wtd44 (Jul 27, 2009 6:23 am)

That is the problem. The rebadged Fiats will be competing against a plethora of gas options. Who in their right mind would buy a Chrysler gas econobox over a Korean or Japanese? VW is gaining market share in the USA with the new diesel Jetta. A 70 MPG diesel Fiat 500 would tempt me for a runabout car. Remember about the time Fiat gets up to speed the Indians will be flooding the market with super cheap cars. I don't think the new Chrysler has a chance at surviving with UAW built econoboxes. UNLESS they offer a big mileage advantage. That is only possible with hybrid or diesel.
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Re: Project plan [gagrice] by gagrice
Jul 27, 2009 (7:54 am)
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Replying to: gagrice (Jul 27, 2009 7:46 am)

Update. The Fiat 500 with a 100 HP gas engine with 0-62 MPH at 10.5 seconds only gets a combined 37 MPG. The same 500 with a diesel engine is 56 MPG combined. And the diesel version is only $330 more than the gasser.
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Re: Project plan [gagrice] by mickeyrom
Jul 27, 2009 (8:21 am)
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Replying to: gagrice (Jul 27, 2009 7:54 am)

Excuse me,but 37 MPG combined is excellent.
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Re: Project plan [mickeyrom] by kernick
Jul 27, 2009 (8:36 am)
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Replying to: mickeyrom (Jul 27, 2009 8:21 am)

but 37 MPG combined is excellent.
 
About whatI would get from 3 vehicles that I owned in the 80's - an Escort, a Sentra, and a CRX. It's not that great when you realize that that sort of mileage was possible was from engine and transmission technology of 30 years ago.
 
I agree with gagrice - if Chrysler/Fiat comes here with small relatively expensive cars, that get 37mpg or so, they won't be a big hit. In order to really succeed they are going to need to offer something exceptional. If I wanted to buy a premium small car, I'd get a Mini; if I wanted low price and high mpg I'd get a Ford Fiesta, Hyundai, Nissan Versa or Honda Fit.
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Re: Project plan [kernick] by mickeyrom
Jul 27, 2009 (9:45 am)
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Replying to: kernick (Jul 27, 2009 8:36 am)

With the possible exception of the Fiesta which I know nothing about,none of the cars mentioned will get combined 37MPG.Check it out anywhere you like.Actually none are even rated at 37 highway.I'll that 37 any time I can.
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Re: Project plan [mickeyrom] by gagrice
Jul 27, 2009 (10:23 am)
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Replying to: mickeyrom (Jul 27, 2009 9:45 am)

Comparing the Fiat 500 to the smallest 3dr Yaris, both with 100 HP gas engines, the Yaris gets a combined mileage 46 US MPG. It is bigger and a direct competitor in the UK. My son in law has the US model Yaris and gets 40 MPG on a regular basis. If Toyota were to offer the same gas engine here as in the EU it would compete with the Prius for mileage. It looks to me like Fiat has some catching up to do on gas engine design. If Chrysler is banking on Fiat I believe it is shaky ground.

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