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Can Chrysler Turn It Around in Bankruptcy?

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Re: What about quality??? [nortsr1] by caribou1
Jul 09, 2009 (6:57 am)
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Replying to: nortsr1 (Jul 09, 2009 6:33 am)

The difference between Chrysler and Fiat is less than loosing one eye instead of the two.
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Frankly, Reliability of Chrysler by andres3
Jul 09, 2009 (9:40 am)
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couldn't get any worse, it's already the pits.
 
So Fiat has nowhere to go but up.
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500 mpg by iuliuscaesar
Jul 23, 2009 (4:10 am)
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Replying to: gagrice (Jul 02, 2009 5:36 am)

The actual Fiat 500 has 3 engines; 1.2, 1.4 and 1.3 Turbodiesel (69, 100 and 75hp)
1.2 (Pur02 version) is around 38 MPG US combined (es. BMW 335i is 20 MPG),
1.3 TDiesel is 43,5 MPG combined.
In 2010 there will be the new engine "SGE" 900cc with Multiair and an evolution of the Multijet diesel engine (with a Start/Stop system(the Pur02 actual version)... around 54 MPG)
The 500 prototypes with the new gasoline engine (Turbo with 70hp) are around 53,7 MPG US Combined (3,4 l for 100km in the "optimistic" European omologation trip)!
 
http://www.autobild.de%2Fartikel%2Ferste-fahrt-mit-fiat-multiair_923741.html
http://www.fptmultiair.com
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Alpha and more by wtd44
Jul 25, 2009 (7:21 am)
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I suspect that as 2010 models appear, Chrysler will rely heavily on Jeep branded vehicles for sales volume, and as Fiat enters the picture, it will be at low initial volume. The marketplace will guide the company. Don't forget that Fiat owns Alpha Romeo. And Fiat has many vehicles to offer that far exceed the meager size and power of the "500". I'm looking forward to the entire process unfolding a menu of new alternatives to the current offerings in the American market.
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Project plan by iuliuscaesar
Jul 27, 2009 (1:36 am)
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In the North America marketplace in 2011 there will be only 3 cars
with an italian brand (Ferrari and Maserati is another target)
- Fiat 500 ("Small" platform)
- Alfa Romeo Mito ("B-Evo")
- Alfa Romeo "940 project" ("C-Evo")
There will be a little suv, Jeep "Panda" ("Small"), clone of the Fiat Panda 4x4 Cross.
In 2012:
- Alfa Romeo "944 project" ("D-Evo"), station wagon version from 2013
- Alfa Romeo "new Brera" ("D-Evo")
- Alfa Romeo new Spider ("D-Evo")
- Fiat new Punto ("B-Evo")
These cars are confirmed in the project plan of the group and will be made
in north america, in the Chrysler factories. These 4 platforms are the base
of the new versions of actual Dodge, Chrysler and Jeep cars and the new small-size cars with american brand.
Alfa Romeo probably will construct 3 more cars: a little suv (size of BMW X1 on
"C-Evo" platform), a big sedan (like Mercedes E-class, on "LX" platform (300C))
and a Big SUV ("2011 Jeep Gran Cherokee Platform").
The marketplace will guide the company, ok, Fiat has many other small cars in european market that could be good for US marketplace, and has another brand "Lancia" with other models.
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Chrysler Fiat future by wtd44
Jul 27, 2009 (5:52 am)
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Replying to: iuliuscaesar (Jul 27, 2009 1:36 am)

I hope they can hold on long enough for success to take hold. It would be intriguing to have a European based car line available, with at least some carrying Chrysler brand names, and not be clones from Germany.
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Re: Project plan [iuliuscaesar] by gagrice
Jul 27, 2009 (6:05 am)
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Replying to: iuliuscaesar (Jul 27, 2009 1:36 am)

If they only offer the cheapo gas versions of the Fiat & Alfa, they are doomed to failure. Only the diesel models that get great mileage will be winners for Chrysler. They need some winners to stay in business.
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Re: Project plan [gagrice] by wtd44
Jul 27, 2009 (6:23 am)
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Replying to: gagrice (Jul 27, 2009 6:05 am)

How do you figure? Diesel is what it is, but in America it has yet to really catch on as a desired alternative. I am not against diesel, but the populace of American vehicle operators seems to be little interested in it. Alfa and Fiat gasoline models selling at popular prices at least have a shot at success. Perhaps some "brand engineering" with name plates would boost sales.
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Re: Project plan [wtd44] by gagrice
Jul 27, 2009 (7:46 am)
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Replying to: wtd44 (Jul 27, 2009 6:23 am)

That is the problem. The rebadged Fiats will be competing against a plethora of gas options. Who in their right mind would buy a Chrysler gas econobox over a Korean or Japanese? VW is gaining market share in the USA with the new diesel Jetta. A 70 MPG diesel Fiat 500 would tempt me for a runabout car. Remember about the time Fiat gets up to speed the Indians will be flooding the market with super cheap cars. I don't think the new Chrysler has a chance at surviving with UAW built econoboxes. UNLESS they offer a big mileage advantage. That is only possible with hybrid or diesel.
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Re: Project plan [gagrice] by gagrice
Jul 27, 2009 (7:54 am)
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Replying to: gagrice (Jul 27, 2009 7:46 am)

Update. The Fiat 500 with a 100 HP gas engine with 0-62 MPH at 10.5 seconds only gets a combined 37 MPG. The same 500 with a diesel engine is 56 MPG combined. And the diesel version is only $330 more than the gasser.

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