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Can Chrysler Turn It Around in Bankruptcy?

464 messages,  Last post on Oct 02, 2009 at 2:05 PM

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Re: BK [kernick] by berri
Jun 09, 2009 (12:42 pm)
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Replying to: kernick (Jun 09, 2009 11:18 am)

But it hammers jobs concentrated in a regional area compounding its affect. Dell mostly assembles overseas so it doesn't really entail those many American jobs. The "greater good" concept has been in law long before this. I'm not condoning the precedent on secured debt, but it really doersn't affect those many people in the big picture of all this, and as others have pointed out, some debtholders didn't do very good due dillegence on their investments. They went for the rate instead of total return and risk.
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Re: BK [steve_] by explorerx4
Jun 09, 2009 (2:31 pm)
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Replying to: steve_ (Jun 09, 2009 12:09 pm)

at some point, the economy is going to turn back up.
this is about cushioning the blow, and giving these companies a chance to survive, when it does.
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Strike One.. by bpizzuti
Jun 09, 2009 (4:31 pm)
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..in Indiana Gamblers vs The United States of Chrysler. The Supreme Cort issued an opinion stating something like "Why are you bothering us with this?" and unblocked the Chrysler/Fiat deal
 
Viva La Alfa Romeo.
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Re: BK [explorerx4] by andres3
Jun 09, 2009 (4:44 pm)
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Replying to: explorerx4 (Jun 09, 2009 2:31 pm)

Chrysler wasn't surviving during boom times, so why should the blow be cushioned during down times?
 
They were dying, not surviving during boom times. They just went from being a terminally ill patient with excellent medical care to having terminal stage 5 lung cancer with no medical care. The death was inevitable, it was only rushed by the economy.
 
Keeping them on life support waiting for the next BOOM time will only lead to a death during that boom time.
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Don't forget the Fat Lady. [bpizzuti] by gagrice
Jun 09, 2009 (5:12 pm)
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Replying to: bpizzuti (Jun 09, 2009 4:31 pm)

The appeals come as Congress scrutinizes the Obama administration's restructuring of Chrysler and GM. The Senate Banking Committee said it planned to call Ron Bloom, a senior adviser to the auto task force, and Edward Montgomery, who serves as the Obama administration's director of recovery for auto communities and workers, to a hearing Wednesday.
 
Congress still has a say in this. Will they wilt under the pressure of King Barry?
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Re: BK [andres3] by gagrice
Jun 09, 2009 (5:18 pm)
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Replying to: andres3 (Jun 09, 2009 4:44 pm)

Keeping them on life support waiting for the next BOOM time will only lead to a death during that boom time.
 
All three of the Domestics lost billions in 2007 when 17 million vehicles were sold. How will they make money when we may never see that big of a sales year again? I don't think the EPA and CARB will sit still for Fiat/Chrysler to bring their fuel efficient diesels to the USA. So what does Fiat have to offer in this flaky deal?
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Re: BK [gagrice] by dtownfb
Jun 09, 2009 (6:10 pm)
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Replying to: gagrice (Jun 09, 2009 5:18 pm)

I don't think the EPA and CARB will sit still for Fiat/Chrysler to bring their fuel efficient diesels to the USA. So what does Fiat have to offer in this flaky deal?
 
Nothing! Which is why I give this marriage only a few years.
 
Fiat does have the fuel efficient engines that Chrysle desperately needs. I don't know how quickly they cna get these vehicles over here. I also don't know who is going to buy a vehicle from Chrysler or Fiat.
 
These are interesting times.....
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Supreme Ct clears way...... by dtownfb
Jun 10, 2009 (6:26 am)
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Here's an interesting article discussing the appeal by the Indiana pension funds. The last section "Merits of the Case" is very telling. Chrysler was valued at less than $1B so the secured bondholders actually made out better with this deal.
 
http://money.cnn.com/2009/06/09/news/economy/supreme_court_chrysler/index.htm?po- stversion=2009061004
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Re: BK [gagrice] by mickeyrom
Jun 10, 2009 (7:41 am)
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Replying to: gagrice (Jun 09, 2009 5:18 pm)

I believe all the major airlines lose money every year,but they are still very much here.You get my point? Our economy is pretty weird.
There are many things that happen that make no sense to me.My company was sold in 1998 for $250,000,000.....the previous year,we grossed $500,000,000....does that make sense?
I guess just don't understand business.
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The Poorly Ran Airlines by andres3
Jun 11, 2009 (10:22 am)
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That have gone bankrupt or re-emerged were so poorly managed and ran that they are terrible examples of a business model that works.
 
Also, Chrysler is so MUCH MORE poorly ran that it makes the BAD airlines of yesteryear look like SAINTS.

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