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Automotive News & Views Can Chrysler Turn It Around in Bankruptcy?
464 messages, Last post on Oct 02, 2009 at 2:05 PM
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Replying to: berri (Jun 09, 2009 8:42 am) The temporary job losses is not a large enough hit to make that much difference. We have been losing 600,000/month for months and we may be recovering. The fact is, is that if Chrysler goes under, the demand for new autos will change little. people who would have bought a vehicle will still buy a vehicle of some other brand. There will still be the SAME number of autos sold. other manufacturers would gain and may add jobs or not layoff further. So I don't buy this major loss of jobs argument. If Dell goes out of business next week, the economy does not end. HP and Gateway and such will benefit, and the same number of computers will be sold. Chrysler going out of business may be exactly what Ford and GM need to become profitable. I do not want the government to change the rules of the game such that the race-car gets $500 everytime it passes "GO" and doesn't have to pay Boardwalk if it lands there.
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Replying to: kernick (Jun 09, 2009 11:18 am) It sure would hammer consumer confidence if nothing else. When people think the economy is getting worse, they stop spending. And fewer cars (or laptops) will be sold. There's more at risk to letting Chrysler and GM fold than simply job numbers.
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Replying to: kernick (Jun 09, 2009 11:18 am) |
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Replying to: steve_ (Jun 09, 2009 12:09 pm) this is about cushioning the blow, and giving these companies a chance to survive, when it does. |
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..in Indiana Gamblers vs The United States of Chrysler. The Supreme Cort issued an opinion stating something like "Why are you bothering us with this?" and unblocked the Chrysler/Fiat deal Viva La Alfa Romeo. 
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Replying to: explorerx4 (Jun 09, 2009 2:31 pm) They were dying, not surviving during boom times. They just went from being a terminally ill patient with excellent medical care to having terminal stage 5 lung cancer with no medical care. The death was inevitable, it was only rushed by the economy. Keeping them on life support waiting for the next BOOM time will only lead to a death during that boom time.
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Replying to: bpizzuti (Jun 09, 2009 4:31 pm) Congress still has a say in this. Will they wilt under the pressure of King Barry? |
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Replying to: andres3 (Jun 09, 2009 4:44 pm) All three of the Domestics lost billions in 2007 when 17 million vehicles were sold. How will they make money when we may never see that big of a sales year again? I don't think the EPA and CARB will sit still for Fiat/Chrysler to bring their fuel efficient diesels to the USA. So what does Fiat have to offer in this flaky deal?
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Replying to: gagrice (Jun 09, 2009 5:18 pm) Nothing! Which is why I give this marriage only a few years.  Fiat does have the fuel efficient engines that Chrysle desperately needs. I don't know how quickly they cna get these vehicles over here. I also don't know who is going to buy a vehicle from Chrysler or Fiat. These are interesting times..... |
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Here's an interesting article discussing the appeal by the Indiana pension funds. The last section "Merits of the Case" is very telling. Chrysler was valued at less than $1B so the secured bondholders actually made out better with this deal. http://money.cnn.com/2009/06/09/news/economy/supreme_court_chrysler/index.htm?po- stversion=2009061004 |
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