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Can Chrysler Turn It Around in Bankruptcy?

464 messages,  Last post on Oct 02, 2009 at 2:05 PM

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Fiat - Junk Bond Status by kernick
Apr 02, 2009 (8:58 am)
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yesterday one of the rating services - believe it was Moody's - lowered Fiat to junk-bond status. This is more support that Fiat is in no shape to support anyone else.
 
I look at the auto manufacturers and markets similar to a herd of antelope and a grassy feed. The herd is too big and the grass is drying up - some need to die, so the others can thrive. The quicker some die, the better off the others will be.
 
If the government intervenes and saves Chrysler and then GM, this weakens Ford. Ford (and others) needs more customers to get enough volume to make profits.
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kernick... by iluvmysephia1
Apr 02, 2009 (9:00 am)
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it is socialistic idealism that is guiding the current Administration's thinking on this monster of a problem. Trying to save jobs, and going to their aid, like so many countries worldwide normally do.
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Re: kernick... [iluvmysephia1] by lemko
Apr 02, 2009 (9:13 am)
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Replying to: iluvmysephia1 (Apr 02, 2009 9:00 am)

What would happen if the government simply did nothing and let all these big banks and manufacturers go under? Realisticly - no Armageddon scenarios or Pollyanna prospects.
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Re: Ahh... [nippononly] by dtownfb
Apr 02, 2009 (9:20 am)
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Replying to: nippononly (Apr 02, 2009 8:45 am)

What's really bad about this whole situation is Chrysler's parent company, Cerberus, has been very quiet throughout this entire process. They are a hedge fund company that regularly raises money for investments which is why they bought Chrysler. It seems to me if merging with Fiat is a great idea, Cerberus should be able to find investors to support this plan instead of relying on the government. Instead all i read is how they are distancing their assets from Chrysler.
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Re: kernick... [lemko] by dtownfb
Apr 02, 2009 (9:38 am)
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Replying to: lemko (Apr 02, 2009 9:13 am)

If banks went under.....You would see a ton of small businesses close up since they would not be able to access credit. Unemployment would be approaching 15% by now. Foreclosures would be higher then they are now (additional unemployment) Pensions and retirement plans would be lost instead of reduced. Forget about buying anything with a loan, like a car. FDIC would be bankrupt. Everyone would go to the banks to withdraw money they had, which would cause smaller banks to collapse.
 
If manufactures go under - the unemployment numbers for the past 3 months would be considered good months.
 
There were very good reasons for the panicked $700B bailout by Paulson and Bush (at least how it was explained to me by a person with absolutely no political affiliation). They should have put more strings attached and thought it out longer. But it was an emergency bill and hindsight is 20/20. At least with the banks there is a good chance we will get the money back. I don't see GM or Chrysler able to pay back these loans.
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Chrysler = Lehman Brothers? by steve_ HOST
Apr 02, 2009 (12:59 pm)
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"It's easy to think that Chrysler LLC is no longer too big to fail.
 
The embattled automaker has already cut its U.S. workforce by more than 60% since the start of the decade, leaving it with just under 39,000 employees in America.
 
To put that into context, that's only five thousand more people than electronics retailer Circuit City had when it went out of business this year -- and few thought the demise of Circuit City would cripple the economy."
 
Why Chrysler matters (CNN Money)
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lemko... by iluvmysephia1
Apr 02, 2009 (9:38 pm)
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of course we have discussed that on here before, letting the Big 3 fail. But the current leaders fear that too many related jobs will also be lost. Trickle down economics, or, not. Looking at it practically, letting them fail seems much simpler. Even without bankruptcy and reorganizining them for a stronger, leaner, meaner Company.
 
Go to another industry and just leave the carbuilding to the Japanese, Germans and Koreans. See how nasty that can sound?
 
Nationalism can have some strong tentacles to it.
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Re: Chrysler = Lehman Brothers? [steve_] by nippononly
Apr 02, 2009 (9:38 pm)
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Replying to: steve_ (Apr 02, 2009 12:59 pm)

I just don't buy it. 2-3 million people eventually unemployed as a result of Chrysler liquidating? MILLION with an M?? Nah.
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Re: Chrysler = Lehman Brothers? [nippononly] by dtownfb
Apr 03, 2009 (7:02 am)
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Replying to: nippononly (Apr 02, 2009 9:38 pm)

The realistic issue is the failure of many suppliers. many of them are living on credit and the "promise" of being paid by GM and Chrysler. We would lose jobs. Of course, no one can predict how many we would lose because I honestly believe there are investors sitting on the sideline waiting for Chrysler and GM to declare bankruptcy to buy up some of their assets (divisions) at a reasonable cost.
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the petition has been filed by steve_ HOST
May 01, 2009 (8:43 am)
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Chrysler filed Chapter 11 yesterday after much anticipation. Now they are working on getting motions before the bankruptcy court for a "fast, surgical reorganization."
 
They were fast in working things out with the UAW and the Fiat tie-in, but 30 to 60 days to get a bankruptcy plan approved would be really fast.
 
Chrysler Bankruptcy: It's Official as Case No. 09-50002 (AutoObserver)
 
Chrysler Plants Shut Down Until Bankruptcy Over; CEO Nardelli Out (AutoObserver)
 
Can they do it? And will it last?

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