Last post on Jul 02, 2007 at 10:50 AM
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Subaru Legacy, Subaru Impreza WRX STi, Car Buying, Wagon
#25 of 34 Re: si drive isn't a deal breaker [jdunne78]
Dec 07, 2006 (1:10 pm)
Stay out of the boost and you'll essentially be driving a normal 4 pot.
I actually get noticeably worse mileage than a non-turbo Subaru in my WRX, even on long highway trips, but it's not too awful I guess. I think the turbo is always generating enough boost to affect efficiency, especially if you're cruising at 2500-3000 RPM's (highway speed). Granted it helps if one doesn't abuse it.
From what I've read, the problem with the Si drive is that it's more gimmick than useful technology and cannot be set to a default that doesn't partially cripples the car's output without giving much benefit.
So I think you're equally screwed with a turbo, Si drive or not. In that sense, I agree, it's not a deal breaker.
#26 of 34 Re: Legacy v. 5 series/ A6 [paisan]
Dec 07, 2006 (1:16 pm)
Out of curiosity, do you know any Mazda fans who have suffered a similar fate? There's nothing in the Mazda stable bigger than the smallish midsize 6, other than various van and SUV-like things that are completely below my radar, so I don't even remember their names.
It seems both automakers aren't quite going for full mainstream market coverage.
#27 of 34 Re: WRX vs Leg.GT [kens]
Dec 07, 2006 (2:19 pm)
No I haven't Ken. I'm not familiar with that stuff.
#28 of 34 "Ah, but there is the Sti wagon."
Dec 07, 2006 (2:24 pm)
Now we're talking. Add a front LSD, a more powerful motor, keep the price near that vicinity and I'm all in. In a heart beat!
#29 of 34 Re: WRX vs Leg.GT [rsholland]
Dec 07, 2006 (3:33 pm)
You may want to check it out, Bob. I've heard of people who have noticed a signifcant reduction in cabin noise. You do need to get under the carpeting and in the panels (ie. take apart your door) to apply. Can be done DIY or have someone (usually car audio shops) do it for you.
#30 of 34 Re: Legacy v. 5 series/ A6 [nightvzn]
Dec 11, 2006 (12:50 pm)
Yup same problem with the Mazdas. I know more subie folks, but a few mazda people in the same boat. Also mazda doesn't offer anything unique like AWD across the line, so it's much easier for folks to depart from them, IMHO.
Subaru is striving to be the AWD leader, but if they don't offer a full line of cars, including a large AWD one it's hard for them to keep custys.
#31 of 34 Re: Legacy v. 5 series/ A6 [paisan]
Dec 11, 2006 (1:10 pm)
Also mazda doesn't offer anything unique like AWD across the line, so it's much easier for folks to depart from them, IMHO.
Yea, Subaru has a pretty clearly defined trump card with their across-the-line AWD. I think Mazda is going for the "more fun to drive than the average car" factor, and I won't deny they're good at that, but Subaru and Nissan both play that angle too. It's a fairly crowded field.
I think that to be a Subaru owner in the first place, you have to get past the stigma that they are a funky SUWagon company (which doesn't bug me, but bugs some people I've talked to). With the current Impreza and Legacy, they've come a long way towards establishing some mainstream appeal, and the current Legacy and Tribeca are a clear move upscale. So I have to give them credit where it's due.
Maybe more surprises are in the cards.
#32 of 34 Re: With the same respect [paisan]
Jul 02, 2007 (8:54 am)
I think one of the challenges that Subaru will face when it comes to interior room, is the "symmetrical drivetrain layout", which will mandate a huge front overhang and thus loss of interior space for a specific exterior size. The Accords and the Camrys will always hold a huge advantage over the Subaru, in terms of the largeness of the interior when factoring in the overall exterior size, unless they modify their key mantra of "symmetrical AWD drivetrain".
#33 of 34 Re: With the same respect [aaykay]
Jul 02, 2007 (8:57 am)
True, but the Accord and Camry are simply bigger, on longer wheelbases.
The Legacy is the size of an Acura TSX, which is smaller than the Accord.
#34 of 34 Re: With the same respect [ateixeira]
Jul 02, 2007 (10:50 am)
Also one of the key reasons I haven't gone to the EVO or most of the other AWD w/FWD Based cars is that they have a transversely mounted engine. I like symetrical, heck all my cars have symetrical setups, either RWD or AWD.