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#108 of 122 Random and one by one COP misfire problems
Mar 12, 2013 (3:15 pm)
I have a 2004 Lincoln Ls with 3.9 I have had misfires one by one the last two years. car has 63,000 miles, car has been flawless. replaced three coils one at a time as code appeared. just started it up on Friday and have four coil codes at once and four distinct misses. cannot run car. Lincoln dealer did replace cop and plug on each code every time with their program. Just today they did two coils at once. leaving one original coil left. drove it home engine lite still on and when i got home barely, as it was misfiring worse than when i went in... I checked codes and it still showed Po503 po506 po507 po508. all the same codes as just before i had it fixed this morning. they replaced 3 and 7 leaving only 6 never replaced yet. No one there can diagnose what is wrong, they are scratching their heads. i have garaged car and am affrid to drive it as it is really missing on at least two or three cyls. car was running perfect last week when i parked it and on Friday last week just when i started it it was misfiring on many cyls. what else could be prob, as cam sensors are new, etc. Dealer ruled out everything. Please Help if you know what to look for that they haven't already. always had the hard 2nd and 3rd gear shift prob also, they reprogrammed the computer for the trans as their is a program for that also and that also didnt work. Help????
#109 of 122 Re: Random and one by one COP misfire problems [redfender]
Mar 12, 2013 (9:11 pm)
While driving my Lincoln2003 with 112,000 miles the engine light and wrench light illuniated on my dash and then my car powered dow to about 20 to 35 mph. I pulled over and turned off my car, then the wrench disappeard and my car was able to accelerate to higher speeds. The Actron read showed the codes P2107 Tac Module Processor, P2110 Tac System Force Limited RPM, PO356 Ignition Coil F Primary/Seconary Circuit Malfunction, and PO303 Cylinder 3 misfired detected. A mechanic replied on Edmonds to help me with my car issues and I followed his directions and I no longer have any issues with my car. His reply was ...
"The primnary fault is the valve cover gaskets. These DOHC motors have a gasket around the edge of the cylinder head and an innter gasket which seals the center part of the valve cover from allowin goil to leak down to the spark plugs. It is the inner gasket which is the culprit. The stock inner gaskete will fail and allow oil to leak down to the spark plug tops, which causes the coils to discharge voltage not only to the spark plugs but to the cylinder head (through an oil to ground short). Voltage will be lost at the plugs as a result of this short and the check engine light can be intermittently tripped. This situation can also cause the coils to fail (on the diag). Dealers will want to replace the faulty coils and plugs, make quick easy bucks and wait for the whole shebang to fail again due to the real problem of oil pooling at the plug/coil interace due to the valuve cover gasket problem. The real fix here is to do the valve cover gasket job using FELPRO gaskets. The FELPRO kit comes iwth an innter gasket that has multiple sealing ridges to prevent innter gasket failure. The stock inner cover gaskets don't have this feature. So remove air intake plenum, remove valve covers/coils/plugs, replace with new plugs, install new FELPRO gasket set/covers and tighten, check coils OHM reading b/t poles (any that don't match the others replace), install coils, retorque valve covers, install intake."
However, I took my 2003 Lincoln LS to the dealership I bought my car and that services it for maintenance and it is a dealership that sales and services Lincolns. They did their diagnostics and found the issues that I did from the Actron reading. I showed them the mechanic's response from Edmond's and they agreed that the culprit is the damage spark plugs, coils and gaskets for the reason they saw oil leaked on them which shorted the spark plugs causing my car to misfire just like the mechanic from Edmond's site had said. I asked them to replace all coils, valve cover gaskets, and spark plugs with oil on them as well as those without oil so I don't have to experience the same problem again and have them tear apart the engine again and charge me costly labor. Because there was no oil on the coils, valve cover gaskets, and spark plugs on the drivers side, only on the passenger side, the dealership suggested changing only those on the passenger side because the engine needs to be torn apart to get to them on this side not the driver's side. But, because spark plugs should be changed every 100,000 miles, some say every 50,000 miles, the dealership suggested the spark plugs on driver's side be replaced also. The dealership advised that, if in the future, the coils and valve cover gaskets get oil on them and become ineffective, they can be replaced for little cost since they are on top and no engine needs to be torn apart on the driver's side. It cost me $1,100 to get the #1, #2, #3 ignition coils and both valve cover gaskets on passenger side replaced and all six spark plugs on the passenger and driver's side replaced. Labor in itself for tearing apart the engine on the passenger side cost me $549.68, the rest was for parts. Afterward, I checked with another ford dealership that serviced Lincolns and the cost was about the same, a little less. It took 2 days to replace them and test my car out and the dealership gave me a free rental. So it was worth it.
My car runs like a charm now. The only think that occurred a week after the parts were replaced was that my car powered down while driving it to and from work and the engine light would go on here and there. The mechanic at the dealership told me that the car needs to work it out, that the sensors will be off for a little while but then catch up to the new parts and it did. It only last for a couple of days. I the work done on December 7 and I have had no problems since then, about 3,000 miles since then.
I hope this helps. I have read other's same problems and they tried to save money fixing it themselves or going to car repair shops other than a Lincoln dealership and spent lots of money only to end up going to a Lincoln dealership after the damage was done in their bank account. Just better to go straight to a Lincoln dealership who is aware of the problem with the Lincoln LS. When I came in there with my problem, they immediately knew of these problems with the Lincoln LS. However, I recall that somewhere I had read on Ford website or elsewhere, not sure, that Ford has a recall for the 2004 Lincoln LS on this issue for cars under 75,000 miles. Not sure where I read it or if it was legitimate information. You will want to check it out with Ford.
#110 of 122 Re: misfire [jay456]
Apr 16, 2013 (5:11 pm)
i have had same problem did you check mass air flow sensor this will cause al to miss fire and stall car easy to get to follow air filter and it will be the first connector they have a cleaner for it or take it to get it checked i baught one from a scrap yard 35 and it is running like a gem again
#111 of 122 Re: misfire [gtm369]
Apr 16, 2013 (6:01 pm)
I have solved misfire problem!!!! it was the PCM all along!!! as i replaced all the coils the PCM never would clear the codes!!! if you have two or more misses at once the PCM will get a negative short in it and always miss the cylinders that had the coils replaced no mater what, until it is replaced. Ford dealer wanted 2000.00 to replace the PCM found on online for 280.00 with 40. core rebate, already programed for my vin number, i installed it myself and to get the car to the dealer to get the PATS system programed, (Security) i piggy backed it to the harness with the new one in proper location. left old one hang. it took dealer 15 minutes to set it up, and $39.00 best 39.00 i ever spent. ford put in coils under program for free and re inbursed me for the two first ones i did myself. Car never ran better!!! all my hard shift problems cleared up with the re programed PCM i bought. Hope this helps. you can do the PCM on the 04 lincoln yourself cheap!!!
#112 of 122 Re: misfire [redfender]
Jun 01, 2013 (10:01 am)
Hey what kind of hard shifts did you have and where did you get the PCM already programmed??? I ask because i am having this same issue on my 2003 Lincoln LS V8. Any info is appreciated. Thanks
#113 of 122 Help ... 2001 Lincoln LS V8
Jun 17, 2013 (7:30 pm)
I'm told I need a Catalytic converter in my 2001 Linc LS V8. The engine is consistently on. The car appears to be running okay, everyone says I take really great care of it. Why is the engine light always on?
I go through this every year, especially when I'm unable to pass Emissions in Georgia.
I've had diagnostics run. Could it be anything else? I feel it is a defect in the vehicle itself. The light is always on, ever since I've purchased the vehicle, USED with 70K miles in 2005.
#114 of 122 Re: Help ... 2001 Lincoln LS V8 [ursulapj7]
Jun 18, 2013 (5:50 am)
When the CEL is on you need to check the codes to see what is being reported. Then you need a competent mechanic to troubleshoot it. The code doesn't tell you what to fix, just the symptom. If it's an O2 sensor being reported then either the Cat is bad and does need to be replaced or the sensor is bad and needs to be replaced.
#115 of 122 Cold Air Intake
Jul 06, 2013 (11:54 am)
AKIRBY: I'm a past LLSOC charter member and purchased the V8 cold air intake in 2002 from Brian G when he was running their website. Now, the smog folks are asking for a label or emblem on the intake.
The receipt doesn't show who made it so, I'm looking for the maker or a comparative maker's sticker or emblem to pass the visual. Vehicle has been passing all the tests these past years but now they want to see a lame emblem on the intake.
Any idea ?
Garth Clark (AutumnRed)
#116 of 122 Re: Cold Air Intake [garthman]
Jul 06, 2013 (12:51 pm)
Hey Garth. Brian is long gone having sold his LS years ago, but I'll ask the remaining club members for you just in case they know something.
#117 of 122 Re: Cold Air Intake [akirby]
Jul 06, 2013 (3:39 pm)
From Spotter9 (Al):
there are no approval label or emblem for these intakes.
I have to take mine off every 2 years and put the stock intake/airbox back for the California smog test, because no CRAB Approval Label. The first few years they tested the car with the cold air intake and K&N Filter in place, but stopped doing it 4 years ago. It always past smog with the cold air intake before.
So, if you don't have the stock stuff in California you can't get tested, unless you can find a shop that will look the other way and sign it off. I've been told that there are some around, but I haven't bother to look for one.