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Re: Original tires at 45,000 miles [bobw3] by stevedebi
Jun 14, 2007 (12:13 pm)
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Replying to: bobw3 (Jun 14, 2007 3:53 am)

The Limited comes with 18" tires, which are automatically going to last less time (they are higher profile than the Continental 17" tires). That is one factor...
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Re: Original tires at 45,000 miles [stevedebi] by saabturboid
Jun 14, 2007 (1:20 pm)
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Replying to: stevedebi (Jun 14, 2007 12:13 pm)

stevedebi,
 
I think you may misunderstand how the term 'profile' is used in reference to tires. The 18" Pirellis are actually a lower profile tire than the 17" Continentals. Profile refers to the height of the sidewall on any given tire. The bigger the wheel size for any given vehicle the lower the tire profile needs to be by necessity to keep the same tire circumference. That is why as wheels get bigger the sidewalls get smaller.
 
Also, the profile of a tire has nothing to do with how long they will last. That is mainly a function of the rubber compound used to manufacture the tire. Typically lower profile tires are more performance oriented and therefore a softer rubber compound is used. This soft rubber affords more cornering grip, shorter braking distances, and better overall performance, but will wear at a faster rate than a tire with a harder compound rubber.
 
This is an area of one of the biggest misunderstandings about tires. Many people believe that the longer a tire is designed to last the better the tire. Many people pay huge premiums to buy tires that are advertised to last 60 or 80 thousand miles. What they fail to realize is that in order for a tire to last that long a very hard rubber compound is used making the tire LESS SAFE. A hard rubber compound will not only offer less cornering grip, but it will slip much sooner and will not allow a vehicle to stop as quickly in hard braking situations. These characteristics are amplified in cold weather and as the tires age. Both cause the rubber to harden even further. Just some food for thought.
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Re: Original tires at 45,000 miles [saabturboid] by bobw3
Jun 14, 2007 (3:32 pm)
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Replying to: saabturboid (Jun 14, 2007 1:20 pm)

A hard rubber compound will not only offer less cornering grip, but it will slip much sooner and will not allow a vehicle to stop as quickly in hard braking situations.
 
Maybe you should drive with snow tires all of the time
 
All you have to do is look at the test results with the standard tires, but low mile tires does not equal to higher quality or safer tires...they could just be poor quality tires so they don't last as long. The lifetime miles of a tire does not indicate safety or quality necessarily. So if you think the 50,000 mile tire is safer than the 90,000 tire just because of the shorter life that's a mistake.
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Re: Original tires at 45,000 miles [bobw3] by freealfas
Jun 14, 2007 (5:24 pm)
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Replying to: bobw3 (Jun 14, 2007 3:32 pm)

sorry bobw3, saabturoid is spot on with his points. He wasn't comparing the "quality" of a tire as a poor quality tire is a poor tire regardless of mileage rating. He was pointing out the differences between higher and lower "mileage" rated tires which could be from the same manufacturer having no impact on the perception of quality in his points.
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Re: Original tires at 45,000 miles [freealfas] by bobw3
Jun 15, 2007 (6:05 am)
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Replying to: freealfas (Jun 14, 2007 5:24 pm)

I just don't agree that a tire with a higher mileage rating is necessarily any better or more safer than a tire from the same manufacturer with a lower mileage rating.
 
Lower mileage rating doesn't equal to a better or safer tire even from the same manufacturer.
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Re: Original tires at 45,000 miles [saabturboid] by stevedebi
Jun 15, 2007 (11:03 am)
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Replying to: saabturboid (Jun 14, 2007 1:20 pm)

"Profile refers to the height of the sidewall on any given tire."
 
Sorry, I meant lower. You are correct of course.
 
I was basing my observations on what I have seen about lower profile tires not lasting as long as higher profile. Maybe it is because low profile tires are built for performance, and thus the rubber is softer... but this is what my research indicates for tire longevity.
 
I am glad I don't have the 18", due to the fact that the owner's manual states that the 18" tires cannot be used with tire cables in the winter.
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You peeps are arguing over stupid stupid stupid stuff. by mschmal
Jun 17, 2007 (8:13 am)
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The Federal Government actually made it easy for non experts to compare different tires for the features that matter to them.
 
You need to read this brief article.
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tiretech/techpage.jsp?techid=48
 
Mark.
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Re: You peeps are arguing over stupid stupid stupid stuff. [mschmal] by steve_ HOST
Jun 17, 2007 (9:21 am)
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Replying to: mschmal (Jun 17, 2007 8:13 am)

The last I heard, you can only use the UTQG ratings to compare tires within a single brand; in other words, a 600 tread wear rating for a Michelin may not correspond very well with a 600 rating for a Firestone.
 
Maybe they changed the process?
 
q45man, "Replacing Tires" #95, 20 Feb 2000 5:53 pm
 
tireguy, "Tires, tires, tires" #31, 24 Apr 2000 8:51 am
 
I went over to Tires, Tires, Tires and asked for an update. (link)
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Re: You peeps are arguing over stupid stupid stupid stuff. [steve_] by saabturboid
Jun 17, 2007 (10:50 am)
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Replying to: steve_ (Jun 17, 2007 9:21 am)

That is true, the tread wear ratings do not correspond correctly between brands. In my experience the best way to determine how long a tire might last is to look at the manufacturers tread life warranty which is generally more reflective of the expected life than the UTQG ratings.
 
You may notice that most performance tires do not have a mileage warranty. This is because the manufacturers know that a performance tire using a softer rubber compound is not going to last a terribly long time, so no warranties are offered. The Pirellis on the Freestyle Limited are a mild performance tire so they are by their very nature not going to last a long time. The Continentals on the other Freestyles are not really performance tires, but their tread life seems to be on the low side anyway.
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all season tire help!!!!! long post sorry by gerrythegreat
Jul 12, 2007 (11:36 am)
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I have a 2005 sel front wheel drive with oem continentals that need to be changed I have 40 000 km on them. I live in Canada but close to us border so I am planning on buying my tires in the us.
My car is the second year of a 3 year lease and we are considering keeping it after or at least buying another freestyle so the tires would last me more than 1 year.
 
We have a fair bit of snow and these tires will be used in the winter. we dont have far to go for work and only travel about 20 000 km a year.Here are the models I am looking at. I dont know much about tires and your imput will be greatly appreciated.
 
good year assurance tred
toyo versado lx
yokohama trz
falken 912
michelin hydroedge
 
and lastly the continentals oem that I can get for way cheap but that are average on a good day,
 
what do you think?

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