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Lexus vs. BMW or MB
by kh9079
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Nov 20, 2006 (7:26 pm)
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Nice to read all the different opinions here. Is anyone going from Bmw or MB to Lexus now? I've test driven the 5 & 7 series(sorta overkill w/ the features but like the room) and like them and also the Gs and Ls very luxurious. I'm going to check out MB E or S series but honestly the looks seems a bit older for me (35). Anyway I've heard about the maintenance issues w/ MB and BMW and I'm hearing that the Lexus is the one to go with. does anyone agree with that or have experienced b or bmw? 
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Point of interest
by atlas7
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Nov 21, 2006 (4:36 pm)
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Spoke with my Lexus rep today, considering a new LS460. He says the 460L is outselling the SWB 2 to 1. Lexus initial projections were that 80% of the buyers would be SWB.
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- #48 of 866
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Re: Point of interest [atlas7]
by ljflx
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Nov 21, 2006 (9:29 pm)
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Replying to: atlas7 (Nov 21, 2006 4:36 pm)
You know Edmunds has almost become out of sight out of mind for me with this crazy switching and alternate boards thing. Half the boards I used to peruse don't even show up anymore when I log onto Edmunds and I don't even know how that happened. Given the dearth of posts it seems I'm not alone on this. Anyway that is the same thing I'm hearing at my dealership. They were actually arguing with Japan the other day because they have a 75/25 split in LWB orders to SWB orders and the next month shipments due in were 50-50. I'm not surprised at this as the Lexus rep at the auto show told me updated research showed customers were 65-35 in favor of LWB to SWB. Lexus is hurting somebody here as these cars are going full sticker to $95K and a minimum of $81K. I stopped in Friday when my GX was in for service. The only cars they had - and this is a big volume guy - were a SWB and a LWB demo.
Still can't get anything firm on AWD. The manager at my shop who I know well was really annoyed. He has a number of others pestering him on both AWD and the sport touring edition plus the LS600HL and he can't get answers from HQ. I'm bothering him on all three of those editions.
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Re: Point of interest [ljflx]
by cyclone4
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Nov 21, 2006 (9:49 pm)
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Replying to: ljflx (Nov 21, 2006 9:29 pm)
Keep on bothering him lj. We especially need to know more information on the AWD possibility for the LS460L and more details on the LS600HL. How could they be so wrong on their estimates for LWB vs, SWB LS? Why didn't they ask my opinion? I would have set them straight  .
I totally agree with you about the new structure on the Edmunds forums. I will say no more.
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Re: Point of interest [cyclone4]
by pfkennedy
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Nov 21, 2006 (10:39 pm)
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Replying to: cyclone4 (Nov 21, 2006 9:49 pm)
The price difference between the LWB and the SWB is not as great as it initially appears. When one factors in options that most people want (comfort package, nav, ML) come standard on the LWB, you realize the price difference is really about $5k. What surprised me is that the air suspension is not available in the SWB. That caused me to start thinking about getting the LWB, even though I really don't think my kids need the additional room in the rear (and I'd rather that they not have the controls for the sound system). Perhaps I should wait, give up on air suspension, and the dealers will start to discount the SWB if the demand is mostly for the LWB. Is there a strong bias that the air suspension is worth it?
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Re: Point of interest [pfkennedy]
by ljflx
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Nov 22, 2006 (8:29 am)
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Replying to: pfkennedy (Nov 21, 2006 10:39 pm)
The air suspension gives you ride control options as well, as it allows you to tune the car to a sport or luxury ride. My experience is simply that the LWB is just a better car with a better ride, will hold more value L/T as that is the direction Lexus is going in and simply provides more features, options and room. SWB is not even a consideration for me at this point. My dealership had no SWB cars available so clearly they sell them immediately.
Cyclone - I'll keep you posted on anything I find out.
Happy Thanksgiving to everyone.
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Re: Point of interest [ljflx]
by hendjaz
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Nov 22, 2006 (11:36 am)
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Replying to: ljflx (Nov 22, 2006 8:29 am)
The availability of the air suspension in the L version only is what made me choose the L over the SWB version and then chose the Touring package in the L to maximize the handling capabilities. As noted the additional cost of going to the L was insignificant when you compare how the cars are coming in optioned and given this price range. For me, the air suspension was a must have so I didn't consider the SWB for very long. Been driving the Touring L for 3 weeks now and no regrets.
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Does anyone know...
by jd14
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Nov 22, 2006 (12:34 pm)
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the legroom numbers front and rear? Is Lexus afraid to release them or something? Anyway, a few of you already have 460Ls, so your estimates would be greatly appreciated. Additionaly, hendjaz, did you're Touring L come with the luxury package and/or rear seat upgrade package? Because according to Edmunds they can't be ordered together...seems like a mistake to me.
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Re: Does anyone know... [jd14]
by hendjaz
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Nov 22, 2006 (2:19 pm)
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Replying to: jd14 (Nov 22, 2006 12:34 pm)
Not sure about the legroom numbers but in the L the rear seat space is huge and noticably larger than the SWB.
I believe Edmunds is correct on the Touring package as mine did not have the lux package in the rear. It has heated rear seats but not cooled and rear seats don't recline. It comes with a full size trunk as a result though. I think this is the general configuration of the Touring L but maybe a special order is possible.
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Re: Does anyone know... [hendjaz]
by jd14
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Nov 22, 2006 (2:45 pm)
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Replying to: hendjaz (Nov 22, 2006 2:19 pm)
Thanks for the info!
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