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Re: LS460 L [jd14]
by ljflx
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Nov 08, 2006 (2:33 pm)
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Replying to: jd14 (Nov 08, 2006 2:16 pm)
I think there will be custom options that get it to $120K. With an LS460L that tops out at 96-97K I'm sure we'll see the LS600HL easily top $110K and may get to $120K. That NY Times $125K figure is still in the back of my mind.
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Re: LS460 L [ljflx]
by jd14
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Nov 08, 2006 (6:16 pm)
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Replying to: ljflx (Nov 08, 2006 2:33 pm)
The LS460 L tops out at 94.8K. You aren't the first person I know who has talked about the custom options on the LS600H L. What exactly are these "custom options" that are unique to the 600? Will any of them be transferred over to the 460 within the coming years?
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Re: LS460 L [ljflx]
by anthonyp
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Nov 08, 2006 (7:29 pm)
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Replying to: ljflx (Nov 08, 2006 2:33 pm)
I wonder if anyone has just possibly factored in the risk if the technology advances and the diesel takes off, how much money an owner of the new tech.Lexus 600 may loose? The stakes are very high now....Tony
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Re: LS460 L [anthonyp]
by ljflx
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Nov 08, 2006 (8:32 pm)
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Replying to: anthonyp (Nov 08, 2006 7:29 pm)
And if it goes the other way with battery becoming dominant what hapens to diesel buyers?? IMO - the risk is the opposite of what you think. Batteries are at an infant stage and are next gen and will get better and better as they get cheaper and cheaper. Think computer power. Diesel is a re-invention of something that failed in the US and still has tons of issues for a public who has a poor perception of them in the first place. Their main asset was longevity and in these days of leases I don't see that as a strong selling point, nor one that plays into the mint money lux business model auto makers have created. On the other hand batteries that are contnually improved in a developing technology play perfectly into today's auto business model in the same way that you needed or just plain had to have a new PC every few years. Think about it. This is already a done deal.
The future of cars is electric with the electric displacement becoming 80% of the power source and gas used to boost power and recharge the battery. This is clearly where Toyota is going. They want to pioneer the electric car in mass production. Diesel is past generation and has inherent issues that IMO will prevent it from ever getting established well. Just watch how issue after issue on diesel safety - from carcinogens to clean air - take center stage.
BTW - how can a car that has 450HP and gets mileage in the 25-30 range lose anyway? They'll always be a buyer for such a car assuming an owner even wants to sell it.
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Some comments
by idele
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Nov 09, 2006 (6:14 am)
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Replying to: ljflx (Nov 08, 2006 8:32 pm)
The Toyota/Lexus hybrid system can accomodate a diesel, gas turbine or a fuel cell stack in place of a gasoline ICE. We have already seen battery improvements in the Prius and battery improvements will continue but the real future is in large scale capacitors in place of batteries. I currently own a GS450h and I'm looking forward to the LS600h. Toyota/Lexus has created a new paradigm in automotive powerplants and it takes time for the public to understand it. I'm off to my Lexus dealer today to deliver the LS460 catalog and price lists (in Japanese) that I picked up in Tokyo recently. Detailed pricing of every option is given (in yen, of course).
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From CNNMoney.com
by rennybosch
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Nov 09, 2006 (3:39 pm)
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Most Reliable Luxury Car
Most reliable (Best score first)
2006 Lexus LS
Infiniti M*
Least reliable (Worst score first)
Cadillac STS (V8)
2006 Mercees-Benz S-class
Mercedes-Benz CLS*
Mercedes-Benz E-class sedan
BMW 7-series
Jaguar S-type
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Re: LS460 L [ljflx]
by anthonyp
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Nov 09, 2006 (7:24 pm)
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Replying to: ljflx (Nov 08, 2006 8:32 pm)
ljflx--thanks for the input...I personally am not interested in deasel, and the short amout of driving the 400h was not terrably impressive...BUT the 600 may be a totally different experience...I like the concept, but am afraid of the purchasing experience...I would imagine the best way to go would be a lease to start with...Tony ps Get one half a drop of diesel on your hand and smell it for the rest of the day, and also anything you may be unfortunate to touch will carry the scent for a long time...
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a certain germancarfan...
by syswei
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Nov 09, 2006 (7:44 pm)
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Wanted to be sure you guys saw the video toward the bottom of this article.
Enjoy!
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Re: LS460 L [anthonyp]
by ljflx
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Nov 09, 2006 (9:03 pm)
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Replying to: anthonyp (Nov 09, 2006 7:24 pm)
Tony - that's the beauty of leasing. If the car looks like a risk put that risk on the manufactiurer as long as the price of the lease looks reasonablle. If it's not reasonable find something else to buy. Funny thing going on with the majority of early Lexus LS460 sales so far - the $65K - $73K cars are leasing, the $80K+ cars are being bought outright.
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Re: From CNNMoney.com [rennybosch]
by ljflx
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Nov 09, 2006 (9:09 pm)
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Replying to: rennybosch (Nov 09, 2006 3:39 pm)
Looks like MB's new S design still needs a lot of reliability improvements. Maybe they still can't get the electronics right. IMO - I seriously doubt the Europeans will ever master electronics and that will keep their reliabilty down.
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