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Saw two on the road today by ljflx
Nov 07, 2006 (8:16 pm)
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First time I've seen them in action. One conservative guy was doing about 60 mpgh on the Garden State Patkway here in NJ. Another guy was flying on the same road at about 80. The car looks great in motion. Beautiful silhouette and very dynamic. Then I came home and found out that my friend who has a Euro edition LS430 just leased an $86K LS460L for around $1400 (tax included) a month on a 3 year 15K mile lease. He couldn't drive a discount but got the dealer to throw in $700 toward an after market $1900 DVD rear entertainment system with the screens embedded in the had rest. He gets the car with the DVD system installed next week. All of this is killing me as late March looks too far away. I want this car in my garage ASAP and when he takes me for a spin in the new car next week that craving is going to get worse.
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LS460 L by jd14
Nov 06, 2006 (6:15 pm)
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The long wheelbase model when ordered with the Executive Seating option can push into the mid 90s. The Hybrid will exceed the 100K Ultra-Luxury mark when loaded. While Lexus has moved way up in the pricing, they are still providing a bargain deal when compared to the Germans. Hybrid V8 gets combined mpg in the high 20s and 0-60 in under 5 seconds, making it faster than any of the Germans while returning close to double the fuel economy. Luxury features are pretty close on all of them as well, and space is nearly identical. In the end, the LS will end up saving you a hefty 30K over the V12 (or W12) competition. Lexus is the SMART way to go. Period.
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Re: LS460 L [jd14] by ljflx
Nov 06, 2006 (7:06 pm)
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Replying to: jd14 (Nov 06, 2006 6:15 pm)

More than likely the LS600HL fully optioned will equal or outprice the BMW 760LI. I doubt the car - fully loaded saves more than $15-20K off an MB S600. The LS460L fully optioned now reaches price points that are $10-15K above a BMW 750LI and not all that much cheaper than an S550 loaded up. But Lexus has also left the prices low enough for value seekers as well - by not stuffing everything down your throat - and letting you decide on options. So it's the best of both worlds. You choose the lux options of your choice rather than have most of them chosen for you. But only if you pass on options is the value still really there.
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Re: LS460 L [ljflx] by jd14
Nov 07, 2006 (4:02 pm)
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Replying to: ljflx (Nov 06, 2006 7:06 pm)

An S600 costs more than $140K base. However, I do understand that the base is already loaded, and that small things like wheels are the only thing that can possibly make the car reach higher prices. Add the $3,000 gas guzzler tax and you're looking at $143K. Unless the LS600H L will reach $123K (more than double the base price of the LS460), it will save you more than 20K off a Mercedes. In addition, a BMW 750Li is $103K loaded, making it far more expensive than an LS460 L, even with the Executive seating option. Not really sure how you came up with the LS460 L as being more money than the 750Li. Perhaps you were pricing a 750i?
 
Anyway, my point is that the LS is still a GREAT bargain, no matter what level of options you decide to load it up with.
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Re: LS460 L [jd14] by ljflx
Nov 07, 2006 (8:49 pm)
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Replying to: jd14 (Nov 07, 2006 4:02 pm)

Not sure how you got to $103K. On the BMW site I couldn't build a 7 past about $84K.
 
Per Edmunds you can get the 7 to the mid 90's if all of these options are included and are allowed at the same time.
 
http://www.edmunds.com/new/2006/bmw/7series/100528421/options.html?action=1&x=50- - &y=11
 
I do think you will see an LS600HL $120K configuration.
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Re: LS460 L [ljflx] by jd14
Nov 08, 2006 (3:16 pm)
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Replying to: ljflx (Nov 07, 2006 8:49 pm)

MSRP $78,100
Options and accessories $24,675
Destination charge $695
Total price as built* $103,470
 
That's directly from bmwusa.com
Go there yourself, customize the 750Li so that it includes every option (Make sure to select everything from all four tabs under options and both pages for Convenience). No tricks like allowing options to be selected twice is needed. I thought you liked the LS, why are you trying to say that it doesn't provide value?
 
Also, do you really think the 600H L will hit 120K? That seems to be a little less of a great value, but the prestige factor gets major bonus points if this is true. I guess it's still a darn good deal though since it's essentially competing with the 12s for power.
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Re: LS460 L [jd14] by ljflx
Nov 08, 2006 (3:33 pm)
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Replying to: jd14 (Nov 08, 2006 3:16 pm)

I think there will be custom options that get it to $120K. With an LS460L that tops out at 96-97K I'm sure we'll see the LS600HL easily top $110K and may get to $120K. That NY Times $125K figure is still in the back of my mind.
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Re: LS460 L [ljflx] by jd14
Nov 08, 2006 (7:16 pm)
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Replying to: ljflx (Nov 08, 2006 3:33 pm)

The LS460 L tops out at 94.8K. You aren't the first person I know who has talked about the custom options on the LS600H L. What exactly are these "custom options" that are unique to the 600? Will any of them be transferred over to the 460 within the coming years?
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Re: LS460 L [ljflx] by anthonyp
Nov 08, 2006 (8:29 pm)
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Replying to: ljflx (Nov 08, 2006 3:33 pm)

I wonder if anyone has just possibly factored in the risk if the technology advances and the diesel takes off, how much money an owner of the new tech.Lexus 600 may loose? The stakes are very high now....Tony
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Re: LS460 L [anthonyp] by ljflx
Nov 08, 2006 (9:32 pm)
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Replying to: anthonyp (Nov 08, 2006 8:29 pm)

And if it goes the other way with battery becoming dominant what hapens to diesel buyers?? IMO - the risk is the opposite of what you think. Batteries are at an infant stage and are next gen and will get better and better as they get cheaper and cheaper. Think computer power. Diesel is a re-invention of something that failed in the US and still has tons of issues for a public who has a poor perception of them in the first place. Their main asset was longevity and in these days of leases I don't see that as a strong selling point, nor one that plays into the mint money lux business model auto makers have created. On the other hand batteries that are contnually improved in a developing technology play perfectly into today's auto business model in the same way that you needed or just plain had to have a new PC every few years. Think about it. This is already a done deal.
 
The future of cars is electric with the electric displacement becoming 80% of the power source and gas used to boost power and recharge the battery. This is clearly where Toyota is going. They want to pioneer the electric car in mass production. Diesel is past generation and has inherent issues that IMO will prevent it from ever getting established well. Just watch how issue after issue on diesel safety - from carcinogens to clean air - take center stage.
 
BTW - how can a car that has 450HP and gets mileage in the 25-30 range lose anyway? They'll always be a buyer for such a car assuming an owner even wants to sell it.

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