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GMC Safari/Chevy Astro Starting/Stalling/Idling Issues

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Re: 93 Chevy Astro won't start? [jkowmr] by habby10
Feb 24, 2008 (4:43 pm)
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Replying to: jkowmr (Feb 24, 2008 12:18 pm)

Im sure it's the water temp sensor again, its the only thing that would affect start. Plugged in it warms up. the tolerance on the lower edge must be bad,...I have to replace it and keep it unplugged.
 
Let me know how thing go with you, can you confirm it always starts when the bloc heater is plugged in.
 
Cheers. M
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Simple but complicated by pwr2020
Mar 04, 2008 (9:24 am)
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My 95 GMC Safari (4.3 L Vortec) has had fuel system issues for approx 10,000 miles now and has ~ 215K miles on it. I recently replaced the rotary fuel pump (OEM) with the new Bosch turbine pump and have had great success with it. After filling the vehicle with gas I made it about 3 blocks before the engine cut out. Checked fuel pressure at the rail and found it to be in spec ~ 61psi ignition on. I checked for spark and traced it all the way down to the ind. wire for each plug and have good spark. The most obvious answer is bad fuel at this point, but I took a sample and found water but not very much. Any ideas as to why it wont even kick over? Thanks
 
P.S., try the new Bosch turbine pump if your are sick of replacing your fuel pump every 10 K miles, it eliminates the ethanol sensitive pulsator valve and comes with a life time waranty!
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Re: 93 Chevy Astro won't start? [marek416] by pwr2020
Mar 05, 2008 (11:47 am)
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Replying to: marek416 (Dec 06, 2006 12:48 am)

Did you find the problem...my '95 4.3 just started down the same path and I have been unable to figure out the root cause. Got fuel pressure and spark but no combustion???
 
thanks
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Re: 93 Chevy Astro won't start? [pwr2020] by dakota4x4
Mar 05, 2008 (7:32 pm)
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Replying to: pwr2020 (Mar 05, 2008 11:47 am)

Do mean compression or combustion. where are you getting spark from. you can have spark from a plug wire but is usually the cap and rotor
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Re: 93 Chevy Astro won't start? [dakota4x4] by pwr2020
Mar 06, 2008 (8:14 am)
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Replying to: dakota4x4 (Mar 05, 2008 7:32 pm)

I mean combustion. Spark was tested via timing light on the coil wire, then down on each plug wire and found to be good. Fuel pressure is in the middle of the tolerance range. What has me confused is this:
 
Pull a plug, re-connect it to its wire and set the base of the electrode on the head. Cranked engine over and found that spark is strong, blue in color and fires correctly with timing. However, if you crank the engine over with your foot on the throttle (all plugs installed) and then pull a plug it comes out dry with no discoloration or ceramic deposits, why am i not getting Combustion sufficient to fire engine?
 
From what I understand of the injection system (CMFI), the individual injectors are supplied fuel by the main injector. Instead of having individual electronically actuated injectors, each jug receives fuel from a hose that supplies during vacuum seen in the head (non-electronic). The only issue I can see now is that although the fuel rail has good pressure, the main injector is not opening and therefore fuel is not being delivered to the ind cylinders. Is the main injector electronically actuated which would be a failure mode here, by not allowing fuel into the combustion chamber via its vacuum actuated ind. injectors? I would think that even bad gasoline (with water in it) should still dampen a plug when you pull it if it does not combust and I am getting dry plugs.
 
                                                    (CMFI)
 
                                                Main Injector
                                            (electronic/vacuum?)
                                   
                                          No fuel being delivered
 
Inj 1 Inj 2 Inj 3 Inj 4 Inj 5 Inj 6
Vacuum Vacuum Vacuum Vacuum Vacuum Vacuum
 
Does this make sense?
 
Thanks for the help!
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Re: 93 Chevy Astro won't start? [pwr2020] by dakota4x4
Mar 06, 2008 (7:18 pm)
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Replying to: pwr2020 (Mar 06, 2008 8:14 am)

Are you talking about the spider injection system? Have you changed your cap and rotor? This has baffled many mechanics.! spark every where out the coil out all the plug wires and plugs but inside the cap and rotor even if the visually look good they can be bad 9 out of 10 times its the problem
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Re: 93 Chevy Astro won't start? [dakota4x4] by pwr2020
Mar 07, 2008 (7:00 am)
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Replying to: dakota4x4 (Mar 06, 2008 7:18 pm)

No, I haven't changed it out yet but I will do that first and let you know. I am talking about the spider injection system, do you have much experience with it? From what I understand, individual piece parts cannot be purchased for replacement, only the entire unit can be replaced...true statement?
 
Thanks for the help, I will replace cap and rotor and let everyone know if that solves the problem!
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95 Astro stalling issue by schooter
Mar 07, 2008 (3:09 pm)
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95 Astro runs good most of the time, except when in heavy traffic or climb. If I suddenly stop or even slow down in traffic, upon re-acceleration the van acts as if it is either flooding or starving for fuel. I have found a temporary remedy for it. If I turn engine off and back on it continues as if nothing happened. Please help!!! Its not fun stopping in heavy traffic to re-start a sick automobile.
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Re: 93 Chevy Astro won't start? [pwr2020] by dakota4x4
Mar 07, 2008 (8:01 pm)
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Replying to: pwr2020 (Mar 07, 2008 7:00 am)

replace the cap and rotor and see what happens. yes the spider injection is all one unit and what a pain to replace if thats the problem. You can put a very good injector cleaner in the gas that helps to knock off the gel thats builds up on them.
1/4 tank gas and a full bottle of tech ron fuel injector cleaner run it till gas is almost empty
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Re: 95 Astro stalling issue [schooter] by pwr2020
Mar 11, 2008 (11:12 am)
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Replying to: schooter (Mar 07, 2008 3:09 pm)

Having had this problem with my 95 Safari, I would replace the fuel pump. Chances are you have been putting fuel into the tank that has ethanol in it and that destroys the pulsator valve. I would use the new Bosch turbine pump because it eliminates the need for this valve and it is a much more reliable unit.

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