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#41 of 221
Re: Link to TSB about stabilizing bushing [trishr1] by dspider
Feb 10, 2007 (2:47 pm)
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Replying to: trishr1 (Feb 10, 2007 7:55 am)

well according to the workorder they changed the left control arm again and cleaned and lubed the rear stabilizer bushings i am taking the car out for a drive in a few minutes so well see what happens???Ill let you all know.
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Link to TSB about stabilizing bushing [trishr1] by trishr1
Feb 10, 2007 (4:26 pm)
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Can hardly wait to hear the outcome.
Just got finished replying to someone from Manitoba (finally) who has the same problem. See below what they did for her (not for me though they don't want me coming back time and again)
"On ours they replaced the front sway bar bushings but that didn't help so I am going back today so they can hear the crunching sound again. I'm getting a little tired of making these trips for the same problem - especially since they always want to hear it - well, it's making the same noise it was making the last time you heard it!
 
Like others have said - it is way more pronounced when the temp. is cold. Here it has been in the -30's with windchills reaching up to -48 at night so it has been especially bad. Sounds like the car is going to fall apart everytime I go over the slightest bump."
 
Ahhh another with the "sounds like the car is going to fall apart" that's not a minor squeak...
Please update me as to what happens and what is done so I can take that back to my dealership. Thanks
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Link to TSB about stabilizing bushing [trishr1] by trishr1
Feb 10, 2007 (4:33 pm)
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Dspider wrote a week or ago:
"also I have looking everywhere and reading alot about this problem and somewhere along I read a post from a guy in Montreal who said he got his car fixed with what the dealer said were the new redesigned parts"
 
I am searching (though not efficiently) to find the Montreal post so that I can email and find out what the redesigned parts were that were used to fix his/her car. Anyone out there recall when or who that poster is form Montreal??? It is this kind of evidence that is needed to force other dealers to act on the problem.
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Re: Link to TSB about stabilizing bushing [trishr1] by dspider
Feb 10, 2007 (9:44 pm)
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Replying to: trishr1 (Feb 10, 2007 4:33 pm)

I my self am having trouble finding that post again probably because I have been to so many different sites, but I will keep trying. So I took my 5 for a drive this evening after getting it back from the dealer this morning , and as expected the noise came back with it .. It is not as loud as before probably because the temprature is starting to go up a little and the dealer might have greased the living hell out of it. Either way they will be seeing me by tuesday and I will be trying to make contact with Mazda Canada next week to explain to them that i am paying for a new car not something that seems used and defective...If all your Maz5 customers are telling you about the same problem why not do a recall( trough the dealer if they want to keep it quiet )and fix the problem..Well I say it is time for action if they don't want to deal I will be seeking legal advice( about the lemon issue in Canada )I will try contacting Peter Silverman at City T.V and I will try contacting transport canada and foward all the info I have to them..We were all treated like gold when we were spending alot of money to buy the car now when we are having problems we don't seem to be getting any kind of treatment at all...Just my 2cents.
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Re: Link to TSB about stabilizing bushing [trishr1] by dspider
Feb 10, 2007 (10:28 pm)
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Replying to: trishr1 (Feb 10, 2007 4:33 pm)

I could not find the montreal post but i did find a link in this very forum I will post it but first look at this...
Front Squeak and Rear Crunch GONE! A New Lease in Life.
 
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I gave a copy of this TSB, http://www.mstore2000.com/PDF_Files/02-007-06-1675.pdf, along with a printout of the related discussion here as well as at Edmunds.com to my dealer's service manager. A week later they called me to say that the parts have arrived. I promptly brought my 5 in at 8:30am, left, came back at 5pm and all my problems GONE. Right away I felt a big difference in the ride especially at the front. So I guess the "front lower control arms" apart from the bushings were redesigned not solely to fix the squeaks but maybe to address the harsher ride (I'm just guessing here). It felt like the front had real "rubber" tires now as against before where I felt like I had wooden tires. The rear crunching noise that I had since I took delivery of the car is gone as well. Of course it's not a real test yet as it hasn't stopped raining since the fix was made. The true test would be on dry weather for the rear as it is the only time when it acts up. Overall, I am extremely happy and loving every minute of my drive. Thanks to all who have contributed. If not for this forum, I would still be suffering.
This is from B.c Canada post #134 page9
apparrently all the dealers have a different story ,the parts are still being redesigned or its on back order... Now who is lying and who is telling the truth ? If the fix is in the U.S why are we not getting it here ?
The link is at post #7 on page 2 of this very forum , from pages 3 and up ther is alot of interesting reading..
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Re: Link to TSB about stabilizing bushing [dspider] by trishr1
Feb 11, 2007 (7:54 am)
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Replying to: dspider (Feb 10, 2007 9:44 pm)

Thanks for the reply and taking time to look for the Montreal post - I too am on at least three different forums but regardless - what you and others are being offered as a potential fix (goodwill gesture on your dealer's part) is not what others are being offered.
I still plan to go to my dealer - take the 2006 Mazda5 demo for a ride (my salesperson knows about this) - if that car does not sound the same as mine, I will have to assume that the demo has been properly fixed. There is no way they would take potential buyers out in a car sounding like mine or others with the problem. I understand the position the dealership is in - they sell the cars, Mazda warranties the cars against defects. In the USA, it it clear that there was no cost to the owner for these repairs under the TSB; there seems to be "goodwill" gestures in the form of cash/vouchers for some repairs that caused inconvience to owners for a variety of repairs.
I am in the process of considering whether I want to waste my time and the dealer's sevice department in accepting their offer to apply the "non-fix" to my vehicle or not. If I don't accept this offer, have I breached anything that might give Mazda Canada any reason to not apply a permanent fix in the future? Have to think about this.
Before you decide to go the legal route (which may cost you alot), check out the CAMVAP web site - http://www.camvap.ca/eng/consumers_guide.htm
It is an "either or" option - either you go traditional legal route OR you let CAMVAP take it on for free.* you must follow the process for disputes that is published in your owner's handbook first before going through CAMVAP.
Call Mazda Canada Inc. 1-800-263-4680
Also you have a Consumers Association in Ontario as well (looked at their web site last night).
Transport Canada - roadsafetywebmailtc.gc.ca or call 1-800-333-0371 to report a possible "safety" problem or call Transport Canada general number 1-800-333-0510 to see if they can do or recommend anything.
Contacting media or investigative shows like Marketplace (which I did) may help if there are enough people complaining.
Someone posted on another forum that the North American Operations in the USA oversees customer service for USA and Canada - however, you can't email them or register with them because you don't have a ZIP code, but you can call them.
If anyone else has a suggestion, please post.
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Re: Link to TSB about stabilizing bushing [trishr1] by trishr1
Feb 12, 2007 (6:13 pm)
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Replying to: trishr1 (Feb 11, 2007 7:54 am)

This the first response from my home town from an owner who has had more of a fix than me (for sure) and others in Canada. While this fix is not complete by any means, I am sure the owner will let me know the final outcome.
 
"We bought our Mazda5 from XXXXXXXXXXXXX Mazda on XXXXXXXXXX and at first they replaced the front sway bar bushings at no charge and have now ordered the lower control arms."
 
If I were a dealership and someone had a problem and as a dealer I didn't offer to fix it or couldn't fix it, I would be very embarassed for that customer to take it elsewhere to get it fixed by a competitor
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Re: Link to TSB about stabilizing bushing [dspider] by trishr1
Feb 15, 2007 (5:10 pm)
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Replying to: dspider (Feb 10, 2007 10:28 pm)

Just checking to see how things are going with you?
Planning on going in for the "fix" probably next week - with my luck the weather will warm up so I won't be able to tell if it is "fixed" or just hiding out until the cold weather returns.
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Re: Link to TSB about stabilizing bushing [trishr1] by dspider
Feb 16, 2007 (4:09 am)
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Replying to: trishr1 (Feb 15, 2007 5:10 pm)

Im a little behind time this week.I called Mazda Canada on tuesday and explained everything,I was told that if the service manager cant solve the problem then i need to talk to the General Manager, so I called him and left a voice message because of course he was not there..Wensday was apparently his day off and when i did not hear from him at 6pm on thursday i called again.He was out.I left a message with the secretary and got a return call around 7pm.The G.M after hearing my story said the first thing on friday morning he will have a meeting with the service manager to go over everything that has been done so far and try to find anything that can be done and he will contact me sometime in the afternoon..Mazda Canada said they dont regonize the T.S.B so i suggested if it is the same problem as the U.S models would it not make sense to apply the same fix ??? I am still waiting for a response because they strayed from the topic when i brought it up......
I will keep you all up to date once i hear from the G.M..
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Re: Link to TSB about stabilizing bushing [dspider] by trishr1
Feb 16, 2007 (4:34 pm)
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Replying to: dspider (Feb 16, 2007 4:09 am)

Thanks for the update. Correct re TSB only being applicable at this point in time in the USA and with cars with the applicable VINs. Correct they could apply the same fix as in the USA because it is the same problem BUT they haven't come up with a suitable Canadian winter fix and it is likely that the TSB fix will not help us in the short term.
It is frustrating to owners, but at least the acknowledged the problem instead of saying it was normal and attempting to passive owners.
It is nice here today (afternoon) so the noise has not presented itself. Tonight when it gets cold again, it will be back. Keep us posted please.

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