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Entourage vs. Sedona
by hrngffcr
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May 07, 2006 (1:23 pm)
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Test drove a Sedona yesterday. While out on the drive,without a salesman, of course, we stopped at Hyundai dealer to get closer comparison. The leather in the Entourage seemed a little softer and nicer, and the faux wood on center instrument console seems a little nicer looking. But hard plastic interior surfaces of Sedona the same on Entourage (that is, except possibly for quality of leather and faux wood, interior materials appear to be the same). I asked the Hyundai dealer to tell me, as a person who would have to sell Entourages, what the differences were, other than cosmetic, and why I should buy the Entourage at a $2,000 higher sticker price. He was honest and said he really could not see any differences or compelling reason to buy the Hyundai Entourage over the Kia Sedona. He said the same was not true for any of the other Hyundai models compared to the equivalent Kia models.
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Re: Entourage vs. Sedona [hrngffcr]
by dc_driver
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May 07, 2006 (5:08 pm)
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Replying to: hrngffcr (May 07, 2006 1:23 pm)
I did not test drive the Entourage, but did drive the Sedona. I agree with you, I am not sure that I would spend $2K more for slightly nicer leather, more chrome, and a few differences here and there. The only consideration (in my case) is that I would much prefer to deal with my local Hyundai dealers vs Kia. I was very unimpressed with the two local Kia dealers I emailed and the one that I visited. There are also more Hyundai dealers in my area which helps if there are warranty issues.
But, $2K is still $2K..
Out of curiosity, have you driven the Toyota Sienna or Honda Odyssey yet? I would like to hear your impression of these vans compared to the Kia. I started out almost planning to buy a Toyota but me and my wife liked the Odyssey the best out of all the vans we drove. I liked the Kia as well, and there is no denying the value of the Kia. With the latest IIHS safety scores the Kia is even more desirable.
I really like what Hyundai/Kia are doing and time will tell if they are going to really challenge the Japanese.
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Re: Entourage vs. Sedona [dc_driver]
by hrngffcr
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May 08, 2006 (8:36 am)
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Replying to: dc_driver (May 07, 2006 5:08 pm)
I have not driven either. We will buy a fully loaded minivan when we buy, because we will keep it for a number of years, so we want to be able to enjoy it. I think being fully loaded also helps when it does come time to sell. A fully loaded Sienna is just way too expensive for the vehicle you get in comparison to the Kia and Hyundai. I mean, sure, a lot of people will tell you what a wonderful vehicle it is, and what a great reputation Toyota has--and I have no doubt it is and does. But not enough better to justify thousands (much more than $2K) more over the Kia and Hyundai, based on their features and everything I have read over the past year or more about the quality of the current generation of their vehicles. Pretty much the same is true for the Odyssey (although I have some feature problems with it--memory seats only control the seats, the third row windows no longer open, and front headroom with a sunroof is much less than the Kia and Entourage). The only "advantage" the Sienna and Odyssey had is that they have nav system options. But that is not really an advantage any more as I can get an aftermarket 2-DIN, in dash nav with just the features and quality I want rather than what the factory chooses to install (including back up camera and iPod connectivity).
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Re: Entourage vs. Sedona [hrngffcr]
by vanfor3
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May 08, 2006 (8:57 am)
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Replying to: hrngffcr (May 08, 2006 8:36 am)
Looked at both the Kia and the Hyundai this weekend. I honestly couldn't tell any real noticeable difference in handling or driving, they were both very smooth and very quiet. The main differences seem to be all cosmetic that I saw. The Hyundai (limited, all the goodies) was $33k+, and it has a different front/rear bumper and lights (I like it better than Kia, but its just personal taste). It also has the extra chrome trim, a slitghtly different rear upper brake light, different rims, more chrome in some interior spots, nicer looking faux wood (and the option of the faux metallic trim), and a different gauge cluster. Everything else seemed identical to Sedona EX with Power, Luxury, Entertainment packages. The kia was $31k+, but my local dealer decided it needed $1200 worth of clear-coat and scotch guard and another $1500 "market adjustment" bringing it up to $33k also. I would still assume more wiggle room on the kia, but based on dealer experience alone and the fact that I liked the looks more of the Hyundai inside and out, I would probably lean towards it.
Has anyone seen the Kia Olive Gray and the Hyundai Green Meadow Gray - are they the same?? I hope so.
Lastly, feature wise the Odyssey really needs the Touring package which puts it over the top price wise. The Sienna XLE Pkg 7 seems the closest fit, and at MSRP it is also quite a bit more - but they are discounting/rebating pretty heavily these days it seems, pushing them down well below the Hyundai's MSRP for sure, and not far from the Kia's. A local quote I got as well as carsdirect confirmed this - and makes my decision even that much more complicated!
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Re: Entourage vs. Sedona [vanfor3]
by dc_driver
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May 08, 2006 (1:03 pm)
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Replying to: vanfor3 (May 08, 2006 8:57 am)
You sure about that Honda price? Two weeks I got quoted 32,800 for a Odyssey Touring model (that price included freight, did not include TT&L). Although that model did not have RES or NAV (I prefer aftermarket options).
Also, it seems like you should be able to get the Hyundai/Kia dealers to deal. The completely loaded Entourage Limited models in my area are going for about $30,500 (including freight) which is about $1K below invoice. The invoice on a loaded 06 Sedona (EX w/luxury/premium entertainment/power pkg)is $28,895, and Kia has incentives too (2K competitive bonus +1K + 3.9% financing through Kia Fianance). I think you should be able to pickup a loaded Sedona for $26-28K easily (including freight, before TT&L and dealer fees). Those fees your dealer added on are a joke, you should not pay them. For $33K you can get a loaded Odyssey or Sienna, and you will be overpaying on the Kia/Hyundai. The minute you drove that loaded 06 Sedona off the lot, it will probably be worth about $23K...
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Re: Entourage vs. Sedona [dc_driver]
by vanfor3
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May 08, 2006 (1:41 pm)
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Replying to: dc_driver (May 08, 2006 1:03 pm)
I honestly hadn't gotten to the negotiating part with the Odyssey Touring, so that sounds OK. I wasn't aware the Touring came without the RES? The quote I got on the Sienna XLE#7 (has RES) was $31,500 range incl frieght (+ttl). I've seen 2 different invoice prices for the Sedona, one of which is the 28,895 you mention and the other is more like 29,700 (carsdirect), not sure which is right.
Either way you are right, you should be able to get the Sedona around $28-29k (or less if you qualify for the competitive rebate) and the Entourage $31 or less. My point related to the Sienna was just that at $31,500 with RES it isn't That far out of the Entourage range, to me at least.
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Re: Entourage vs. Sedona [vanfor3]
by dc_driver
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May 08, 2006 (4:57 pm)
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Replying to: vanfor3 (May 08, 2006 1:41 pm)
According to Edmunds, the 28,895 price is correct. I am glad to hear that you are not planning on spending 33K on the Kia Sedona when you can get the same van for much less...
That is a good price on the Sienna, I advise you to drive them back to back and decide which van is best for you..
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Re: Entourage vs. Sedona [dc_driver]
by vanfor3
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May 08, 2006 (5:13 pm)
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Replying to: dc_driver (May 08, 2006 4:57 pm)
Um, no. Never considered $33k for Sedona. I actually let a little laugh slip out when the dealer tried to explain the "protection package" and "market value adjustment" markups. Of course, the only thing even more humorous was the hyundai dealer stumbling thru a very unprepared explantation of the Entrouage price premium over sedona. Wonder why carprices.com is so different on the sedona invoice, kbb agrees with edmunds.
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Re: Entourage vs. Sedona [vanfor3]
by dc_driver
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May 08, 2006 (5:19 pm)
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Replying to: vanfor3 (May 08, 2006 5:13 pm)
Dealers have tried to pull the "market value adjustemt" on me a few times on a new model.. What a joke..
Perhaps the carprices.com price added the tow package or something else to the invoice price.
Glad to hear that you are an informed buyer. I wonder how many people fall for the good ole "protection package" scam.
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Re: Entourage vs. Sedona [vanfor3]
by esto
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May 09, 2006 (12:20 pm)
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Replying to: vanfor3 (May 08, 2006 5:13 pm)
Wonder why carprices.com is so different on the sedona invoice, kbb agrees with edmunds.
Could it be the dealer advertising fee?
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