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Re: 00 Civic GX Rough Idle [thatdeonguy] by jerrylippmann
Dec 28, 2005 (1:44 pm)
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Replying to: thatdeonguy (Dec 28, 2005 11:36 am)

Deon,
you're right about the dealer not wanting to sell the CNG Fuel filter. They don't outright refuse, but to have them replace it costs $132 (Part + 1 hr labor), and to purchase the parts is $849. I am strongly leaning towards having the dealer do the replacement (duh!).
 
Good luck in your weekly runs to Big Bear. I'd rarely get 200 mi range, you must have larger tank(s).
All the best,
Jerry
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Re: 00 Civic GX Rough Idle [jerrylippmann] by lakewood90712
Dec 28, 2005 (9:17 pm)
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Replying to: jerrylippmann (Dec 28, 2005 9:06 am)

Get a OBD2 code reader , the type that can scan in real time,( because the misfire may not be bad enough to store in the computer) and find the cyl. that is misfiring. Don't think it's the fuel filters. Spark plug wires ?, tiny cracks in the coil ?, may be valve clearance too tight. Stick with oem honda parts. Several honda dealers sell on the internet at deep discounts.
 
John
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Re: 00 Civic GX Rough Idle [jerrylippmann] by fbaldwin
Dec 28, 2005 (10:20 pm)
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Replying to: jerrylippmann (Dec 28, 2005 1:44 pm)

The Honda Service Manual GX Supplement provides simple instructions for replacing and or servicing the fuel filters. The Maintenance schedules indicate that filter B (low Pressure) should be replaced every 10,000 miles and filter A (high pressure) should only be inspected including drain every 10,000 miles. Both schedules (severe and regular) specify the same procedure.
 
Replacing the low pressure filter is similar to replacing an oil filter. The first step is to relieve the fuel pressure between the engine and the manual shut-off valve.
 
I hope this does not become a dealer scam to sell both filters every 10,000 miles when the schedule indicates only an inspection of the high pressure filter every 10,000 miles.
 
The factory service manuals can be purchased from Helm. The web site is www.helminc.com
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Re: 00 Civic GX Rough Idle [fbaldwin] by thatdeonguy
Dec 29, 2005 (9:32 am)
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Replying to: fbaldwin (Dec 28, 2005 10:20 pm)

Hey fbaldwin:
I love this forum, you guys are the best.
I have been looking everywhere for the Honda Service Manual GX Supplement. Thanks for the info, I just ordered one.
 
Speaking of Dealer scams, my Dealer informed me that they recommend removing the CNG tank 40,000 miles to inspect and check for leaks. For only $550.00!
I know that before I bought the car it had a warranty service to repair a gas leak. And since I don't smell gas I think I'll hold off on that dealer recommendation.
 
I did ask the dealer to print out all the warranty repairs Honda had in it's computer for my VIN.
 
I bought the car just after the warranty expired. I have most of the original work orders from the previous buyer but it was nice to double check what had been serviced before I bought the car.
 
Thanks Again!
Deon
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Re: 00 Civic GX Rough Idle (SOLVED!) [fbaldwin] by jerrylippmann
Dec 30, 2005 (8:56 am)
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Replying to: fbaldwin (Dec 28, 2005 10:20 pm)

The service of filters must indeed be a scam. When I asked the service adviser about it, at first they said no, we have never had to change a filter. Then they looked at the maintenance schedule and remarked: oh yes, it does say change every 30K miles. I had it changed, in an unsuccessful problem solving attempt, and the service tech said it looke fine. By the way, he is the only CNG tech at this dealer; they have sold hundreds of these, and this was the first filter he changed.
 
He again attributed my rough idle to non-OEM parts (I guess Bosch doesn't know how to make Platinum plugs, or automotive spark plug wires). When I was ready to take the plunge and buy the Honda parts, the guy at the parts counter had seen the rough idle problem in the past, and knew it had been fixed by changing the distrubutor base plate. This is the main housing which carries the spindle, and the dist cam sensor. He didn't know whether it was bearing wear causing spindle wobble, sensor position, or sensor failure, but he was pretty sure it would work.
 
HE WAS RIGHT! $225 USD later, my rough idle was gone. This was great info from a guy who does not diagnose car trouble, but observed what worked to solve this problem in the past. He also agreed with me that Honda parts makers don't have any proprietary pixie dust to make their parts work better than other equivalent parts from alternate suppliers.
 
All the best,
Jerry
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Re: 00 Civic GX Rough Idle [jerrylippmann] by fbaldwin
Jan 08, 2006 (7:03 am)
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Replying to: jerrylippmann (Dec 28, 2005 1:44 pm)

The GX has two filters. Filter B (low pressure) looks like an oil filter and can be purchased for $120.75 at the dealer. The maintenance schedule indicates to replace it every 10,000 miles! Kind of expensive.
 
There was no restriction on over-the-counter sales. But the parts guy had a lot of trouble finding the part in the catalog. I needed to show him the diagram in the Honda Service Supplement. It appears that the dealer staff may not have the best training or expierence.
 
Changing this filter requires specific understanding of the GX fuel system and IS NOT simple as changing an oil filter.
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Re: 00 Civic GX Rough Idle [thatdeonguy] by freedml
Feb 26, 2006 (6:33 am)
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Replying to: thatdeonguy (Dec 28, 2005 11:36 am)

if it's a close call, open an account with San Bernardino and fill before/after the trip 'up the hill'
 
Michael
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Re: 00 Civic GX Rough Idle (SOLVED!) [jerrylippmann] by nostrom0
Apr 03, 2006 (11:43 am)
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Replying to: jerrylippmann (Dec 30, 2005 8:56 am)

You should change the low-pressure fuel-filter every 10,000 miles. It's fairly easy to do yourself if you're competent at changing your own oil. I bought the part from Majestic Honda for $85.
But this item is very important, not a dealer scam. It prevents contaminants from getting into your engine. There is variation in the quality and content of CNG Fuel obtained at filling stations.
Don't skip this maintenance.
The high-pressure fuel filter is another story. That does not need to be changed until much higher mileage.
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Re: 00 Civic GX Rough Idle (SOLVED!) [nostrom0] by gotgasgx
Apr 03, 2006 (1:21 pm)
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Replying to: nostrom0 (Apr 03, 2006 11:43 am)

Can you help with some simple steps to changing the filter? Do you notice any mpg improvment after the change?
 
Thanks.
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Need Help!!! by yip_choi
Mar 23, 2006 (4:05 pm)
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Hi ,
 
   I am new to this message board, so please bear with me.
I just purchased a Civic GX from Ebay and received it a month ago. It
is a 1998 Honda Civic GX model with only 18k on it. However, after I
drove for a week, the engine light is on. It does not have any
noticable problem except sometimes the rpm is rough when stop. First,
I brought it to a local mechanics who called himself as "Honda
Specialist". He claimed it needs a major tune up (with valve
adjustment) for $500. If the light is still on, then it needs to
replace the ECM (The computer) which costs over $800. I told him to
do the minor tune up but not the valve adjustment which I believe it
has nothing to do with the engine light on and valve should not be
adjusted after 100k (not 18k). After minor tune up and he cleared the
engine light code, it runs fine for a week and then the light is on again.
   Does any of you have the engine light on experience and the car is
driving totally fine? What is the finding?
   Is there any relationship between the engine light and valve adjustment?
   On the other hand, I did smell some natural gas inside the vehicle
after parking overnight or days. Is it normal?
   If I want to bring it to Honda dealer, does it requires for CNG
technicians?
 
Please advise.
Thanks in advance
 
William

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