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#47 of 66 Re: Rapid decrease in battery charge [bodach1] by Ogre_GEV Mar 24, 2009 (10:03 am)
Replying to: bodach1 (Mar 24, 2009 8:13 am) When you say "discharges rapidly", do you mean within a few seconds? Or perhaps you'll just suddenly notice that the gauge reads empty (maybe when you notice that there is no assist available)? If so, this is called a "downward recal" and is an indication of a battery that is on the way out. It will happen more and more frequently and will eventually trigger a P1447 error with a lit IMA light. At that point, take it into a dealer and have the codes read. You will then be eligible for a replacement battery under warranty (assuming you don't have a salvage title). They will not replace it unless the IMA light lights. If they are a typical dealer, they have little experience with Insights and this problem isn't in their database. They may be boneheads, but I would not expect them to be able to tell what the problem is.   You didn't say how often it does this. When it gets to multiple times per day, the end is near.   If the dealer tries to charge you for anything, call American Honda or contact us here. This repair is free. Replies to this message: thewiz666 (Apr 23, 2009 11:02 am) Ogre_GEV (Apr 23, 2009 12:03 pm)
#48 of 66 Re: Insight Battery Repair [Ogre_GEV] by 204meca Mar 31, 2009 (6:09 pm)
Replying to: Ogre_GEV (Mar 23, 2009 7:07 pm) Ogre, you appear to be the reigning expert an Insight batteries. What is your opinion on the new & improved "next generation" Nickle hydrid in the 2010 Insight. Do you think they will have significantly longer life? Thanks! Replies to this message: Ogre_GEV (Mar 31, 2009 9:58 pm)
#49 of 66 Re: Insight Battery Repair [204meca] by Ogre_GEV Mar 31, 2009 (9:58 pm)
Replying to: 204meca (Mar 31, 2009 6:09 pm) I can't answer that question. I have no direct experience with them. Marketing literature is written to sell things, so I won't make up my mind until I see what is really in there and/or talk to people who have torn them apart.   I can tell you that the only thing producing the short life in the IMA batteries is the fact that the cells are all in series and the car has no way to independently charge them. I know this because most of them are not dead, they are just crippled due to a few weak cells. After reconditioning, they spring back to life, but the weak cells must be replaced, or the battery will fade once more.
#50 of 66 Insight battery vs. ordinary Civic or Fit by rookie60 Apr 01, 2009 (2:24 pm)
There seems to be a BIT of controversy about batteries. "What is the warranty length of the battery pack on the new Insight? Is it 10 years/100,000 miles? If it is less, would a person be better off buying a Fit or a regular Civic? After 100,000 miles, the Fit/Civic would be still ready to go. With Honda reliability, they are just broken in. If it is going to cost $3k-$5k to replaces the battery pack, I would think that any potential buyer would be wary of a car that was 7-8 years old. Is the Insight going to be a car you can't sell after 7-8 years? Replies to this message: Ogre_GEV (Apr 01, 2009 4:01 pm) dodgeman07 (Apr 01, 2009 6:04 pm) rookie60 (May 24, 2009 7:38 am) Ogre_GEV (May 25, 2009 1:50 pm)
#51 of 66 Re: Insight battery vs. ordinary Civic or Fit [rookie60] by Ogre_GEV Apr 01, 2009 (4:01 pm)
Replying to: rookie60 (Apr 01, 2009 2:24 pm) Series 1 Insights are selling for more than 50% of their original purchase price after 8 years. Will the series 2's? I don't know.
#52 of 66 Re: Insight battery vs. ordinary Civic or Fit [rookie60] by dodgeman07 Apr 01, 2009 (6:04 pm)
Replying to: rookie60 (Apr 01, 2009 2:24 pm) Honda's website:   - Battery Limited Warranty[1] = 10 years/150,000 miles (AT-PZEV emissions rating). (CARB states) - Battery Limited Warranty = 8 years/100,000 miles (ULEV rating) (non-CARB states) Replies to this message: rookie60 (May 24, 2009 7:38 am) Ogre_GEV (May 25, 2009 1:50 pm)
#53 of 66 2010 Insight Will depreciate 50% by vagabondchef Apr 02, 2009 (4:20 pm)
The old insights were made to a higher quality. The 2010 Insights are JUNK. Save yourself the hassle and buy a Insight from 2000-2006.    The 2010 Insights are nothing special. Just more technology to maintain especially after the 3/36 warranty expires.   What about the battery after 80000 miles from 3-4K, a cost of a new engine.   I was not inpressed. The Prius is much better Hybrid by 150%.   Buy yourself a Fit Sport or a Civic LX Auto. Replies to this message: Ogre_GEV (Apr 02, 2009 5:56 pm) sr146260211 (Apr 28, 2009 1:53 pm)
#54 of 66 Re: 2010 Insight Will depreciate 50% [vagabondchef] by Ogre_GEV Apr 02, 2009 (5:56 pm)
Replying to: vagabondchef (Apr 02, 2009 4:20 pm) Thank you for TROLLing. If we ever want your biased opinion, we'll be sure to ask.   And next time try reading the thread before you post.
#55 of 66 Re: Rapid decrease in battery charge [Ogre_GEV] by thewiz666 Apr 23, 2009 (11:02 am)
Replying to: Ogre_GEV (Mar 24, 2009 10:03 am) How does this battery warranty work? My mom has had one of these since 2000, I don't know the miles, maybe 60k, and the IMA light came on a month ago or so. She hadn't taken it in for any of the recalls since she's old (77), but there were 5 listed on the work order they gave her, with one being 'warranty extention'. They said until the recall repairs are done that no clue to diagnosis could be made, and I hadn't heard anything until this morning when mom called me to put the bite on me for $3k to fix the car. I don't have it, and am wondering if the dealer is just trying to take my elderly mom for a ride. She's not taken great care of it due to her age and attention while driving, but she is the original owner.   I wish I had more information, but I'm afraid to call her back for fear of having no reply to her money request. Can anyone explain more about what she's up against? Replies to this message: Ogre_GEV (Apr 23, 2009 12:03 pm)
#56 of 66 Re: Rapid decrease in battery charge [thewiz666] by Ogre_GEV Apr 23, 2009 (12:03 pm)
Replying to: thewiz666 (Apr 23, 2009 11:02 am) I just responded to you on InsightCentral.

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