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#970 of 982 Rear park sensor option (You may help!)
Apr 11, 2012 (5:13 pm)
Today I have received my 2012 Outlander GT. One of the options I have ordered was the MZ380465EX (rear parking sensors kit). I thought I could activate the rear sensors by using a rear parking sensor switch (ON/OFF) located in the switch push button area. I was wrong. The system, even the buzzer/sonar, is located in the rear of the car. This is a departure from Outlander cars in Europe and Australia where the ECU Corner/Back sensor-ECU (proper module) are located just under the driver instrumentation panel which control the flow of signals to the sensors in the rear of the car.
The US sensor kit is just a very elementary set of harnesses that are attached to the interior of the rear bumper following the path of the side marker lights wires. Electrical energy is drawn from the reverse rear light lamp wires (when the reverse gear is engaged) to energise the parking sensors. This arrangement is just a very cheap (that anybody or garage) can perform. This arrangement only works when the car is engaged in reverse.
If you have a trailer, or anything that you are pulling it will activate the buzzer when reversing even if you are in the middle of nowhere. A high level of electronics is involved in the manual activation or manual deactivation of the rear parking sensors and a separate module (ECU) is needed just to control a set of combinations of engaging reverse without/with buzzing.
My dealer’s explanation was that (after consulting with MMA) he told me that the US government has given a rule forbidding the deactivation of the buzzer and sensors while reversing. This is, according to the dealer, the justification of why Mitsubishi (Japan) has installed, for the US market, the parking sensor, without an On/Off switch, so it always buzzes when reversing and approaching something.
I wonder if such a rule has even been given by the US government for cars of any make from 2012. This contradicts the fact that option MZ380465EX (Mitsubishi cars) has been on the market since 2010 (December). The kit has never been sold with sonar switch, nor with a mini ECU (Corner/back sensor-ECU) that control all the combinations (reversing/non reversing-buzzer on/buzzer off, switch on/ switch off, etc) so how can the US government give a rule for a kit that never had a sonar switch included, nor a corner/back sensor-ECU to control all the combinations buzzer/reversing/switch. This is what happens with Mitsubishi cars in Europe and Australia where the control of the sonar/reversing/switch ECU is located under the driver instrumentation panel.
Please give your comments about this weird US rule.
#971 of 982 Re: 2012 SE 2wd Premium/Towing/Fuse/Protect/Locks [iownone]
Apr 11, 2012 (5:30 pm)
All your options and accessories you got was for free!
#972 of 982 Rebate Offer and "Special Lease Offers"
Jun 20, 2012 (6:17 am)
I'm about to pull the trigger on a 2012 Outlander GT, but they're trying to tell me the 2012 $1000 rebate doesn't apply to leases. Here's the language:
Negotiate your best price and get a $1,000 factory rebate on a new 2012 Outlander. Retailer price and vehicle availability may vary. May not combine with special APR or special Lease offers. See your Mitsubishi retailer for details. Offer valid from 06/01/2012 through 07/31/2012.
Notice that it states "special lease offers." I'm taking this to mean that it's not applicable to one of the special lease rates like this:
2012 Outlander 2.4 ES 2WD CVT Lease
Lease example for 2012 Outlander 2.4 ES 2WD CVT, MSRP $22,345 plus $810 ($935 Alaska / Hawaii) destination handling. Available through Mitsubishi Motors Credit of America, subject to approved credit and insurance. Not all customers will qualify. Retailer price, terms and vehicle availability may vary. Other lease terms/details apply. May not combine with factory cash rebates. See your Mitsubishi retailer for details. Offer valid from 06/01/2012 through 07/31/2012.
I'm not getting a "special" lease. I'm just getting a car at the agreed price and leasing it instead of buying. Anyone have any experience on this? Shouldn't the $1000 rebate still apply?
#973 of 982 Re: 2011 outlander GT purchased [pjgirl23]
Jan 01, 2013 (2:08 am)
They should not treat a woman any diffidently, but I have female friends that have had less that positive experiences with the sales reps calling them 'Hun' ect. I would tell them if you don't meet my fair offer, I am leaving NOW and going elsewhere. There is a good website called http://www.truecar.com and you can put in your exact car and it will give you what others are paying.
I don't know where you live, but Ray Skillman Mitsubishi is always dealing with huge discounts for they are the largest Mitsubishi dealer in the state.
#974 of 982 Mitsubishi Motors deplorable behavior with US customers
May 28, 2013 (2:15 am)
I have the new Mitsubishi 2014 Outlander brochure and to my disappointment it still appears that it does not treat US customers with respect.
European countries including Russia, Japan, Australia, etc by law all car with HID/xenon headlights “must” have a headlamp washer and an automatic self-leveling mechanism. Well the “New” Mitsubishi Outlander 2014 does not have any of these technologies, although, these technologies have been going on for more than 8-years in other parts of the world.
This stuff is not difficult to install. Mass production of these two items perhaps does not cost more than $20 each. Why Mitsubishi US does not do something that may cheer up new customers. Four cylinder 2.0 liters engines nowadays are producing more than 240 HP at less RPM than the Outlander 230 HP 3.0 liters. It is a disappointment indeed. .
The Outlander 3.0 Liter needs a better engine. Equally the US and Canada are lagging in applying safety measures already opted for in Europe by a false sense of pride.
#975 of 982 Re: Mitsubishi Motors deplorable behavior with US customers [batman47]
May 28, 2013 (1:44 pm)
It seems you have two complaints:
1. Self-leveling lights w/washers.
2. Engine offerings.
WRT item 1, I doubt many would be willing to pay for those features. The most common use patterns for CUVs don't involve situations where self-leveling is really that much of an advantage over the manual adjustment. Few people actually tax the suspension with a heavy cargo load and if they do it;s likely to be during the day when hauling goods from the local home improvement store.
I think you could make a much stronger case for directional headlights that swivel left/right as the vehicle is turning instead.
Headlight washers remains something of a premium feature in the US. Perhaps the next refresh will add them as premium features trickle down to the mainstream but it may take others in the segment offering them to convince Mitsu to make it available. Who in the segment offers them now (non-luxury brands)? How much are you willing to pay for the feature?
As to engine choices, who in the US sells a 2.0 non-turbo that kicks out 240+HP? Toyota doesn't (2.5L 176HP). Honda doesn't (2.4 185HP). Hyundai doesn't (2.4 190HP). Ford's Eco-boot engines are turbocharged.
Really, at least Mitsu still offers a V6. Honda never has in the CR-V. Toyota has dropped it from the RAV4. Hyundai has replaced it with the 264HP 2.0 turbo which, incidentally, gets worse fuel economy than the Mitsu V6. Ford's 2.0 turbo isn't available with AWD.
Oh, and fuel economy with Mitsu's 3L V6 is up by close to 20%.
I still believe the real excitement is the PHEV edition. But I can't get too worked up about it until pricing is revealed.
#976 of 982 Re: Mitsubishi Motors deplorable behavior with US customers [fushigi]
Jun 04, 2013 (6:02 am)
OK. It appears that more than 2/3 of car manufactured after 2010 with bi-xenon headlights have automatic self-leveling mechanism and jet washer headlamps. The law in the US does not explicitly say that cars with xenon headlights or LED headlights must have washers and self-leveling mechanism. High adventurous manufacturer BMW has not shied away from implementing new features into their cars as for example, BMW X1 SUV which provide all of these features.
Perhaps there is a better opinion but it appears that 2/3 of car drivers’ care about driving safely without endangering viability of oncoming drivers. Road imperfections (e.g. bumps) can direct powerful xenon lights directly onto the oncoming driver’s eyes practically blinding oncoming drivers temporarily. This phenomenon does not happen with halogen headlights. This safety measurement, I believe, will be adopted by law in the US in the near future
Xenon or LED lights are not just a fancy feature. They have been proved that they save energy (fuel) and that point was the main reason of the approval of these features in Europe as well as other areas of the planet. However, because they are 3-4 times more powerful than halogen and in order to protect oncoming drivers from being temporarily blinded by these suns like beams, a headlamp washer and automatic self-leveling mechanism are compulsory in vehicles with xenon or LED headlamps.
In countries with long flat roads (e.g. US, Argentine, Russia, etc) a DRL is compulsory. This measurement is needed, once more, to protect drivers from colliding. I did note the usefulness of the DRL on the very long and flat countryside in Argentine where oncoming cars are camouflaged with the horizon of the countryside. DRL definitely break that camouflaged pattern.
#977 of 982 Win a 2014 Outlander
Jun 07, 2013 (6:50 pm)
Mitsu is the exclusive automobile sponsor for the Skywire walk across the Grand Canyon in a couple of weeks. As part of the promotion they're giving away a newly designed 2014 Outlander.
Enter daily to increase your chances of winning.
I'll cross-post this to the Mitsu News thread.
#978 of 982 Checked out the '14 Outlander GT this morning
Jun 08, 2013 (10:24 am)
I was at the dealer this morning for my semi-annual oil change this morning. Also did a tire rotation which I wind up doing about every other oil change based on my relatively low mileage.
While waiting, I ran into my salesman who showed me a Cosmic Blue Metallic '14 Outlander GT. Sticker with destination was just over $35K. As I'm not in the market I didn't ask for a test drive, but here are some impressions after spending about 20 minutes with the car.
- New grill/front end: Looks nice in person. Not overly aggressive or overly styled like some other carmakers are doing.
- Overall body: I haven't checked the specs but it looks a little bit bigger. The aero tweaks are there and I think they work well. It's an attractive if, again, less aggressive look.
- Rear hatch: The split hatch is gone. But in it's place is a new power hatch so convenience is up overall. There's a small lip, probably under an inch, between the bottom of the opening & the cargo floor.
- Cargo area: The spare is still underneath so cargo room is not affected. The 3rd row (standard) is greatly improved & simplified. It's no longer a Chinese puzzle to put up/take town. Just grab 1 tether & pull. Headrests are by default detached and store in a small tray under the cargo floor; very easy access & you can use the tray for other items as well. There's a pocket on the right that should hold a gallon of milk & keep it upright. The subwoofer housing is smaller/less intrusive.
- 3rd row seats: As I said, it's a huge improvement. It's also split so you can seat 6 & still haul a decent amount of cargo.
- 2nd row: Mixed bag here. It's still split 60/40 and still slides forward and reclines. There's still a center fold-down armrest but it's not quite as nice as the outgoing model. The seats slide forward easily to allow better 3rd row access. The seatbacks now fold flat but the mechanism is more complicated: flip the seat bottom forward, lock the seat in place (lever), remove the headrest, flip the seatback forward. Headrests are conveniently stowed on the flipped forward seat bottom.
- Front seats: largely unchanged. Seat heater buttons have been moved to the console between the seats so they're easier to press. The arm rest/storage area is basically the same size but is now 1 area (the upper small tray is gone). The AV RCA jacks are gone but the USB & 12V power port remain. The travel tissue holder & pen clip remain as well.
- Dash & IP: The gauge cluster is pretty similar but the IP & rest of dash have been totally reworked. Everything looks far more upscale. The black plastic trim even has some metallic flakes; a nice touch. HVAC controls are dual-zone with easy to operate, logical controls.
- Stereo & Navi: The Rockford-Fosgate 710 watt unit doesn't get a bump in power but the features & interface have been modernized. The hard drive has been replaced with an SD card slot. Maps are stored on a second (user-accessible) SD card. Radio now does HD and has DTS and other updates. The UI is more attractive, not only the buttons but the on-screen displays. Screen is 6.1"; I'd have preferred 7-8" for the Navi but that's a minor nit.
- Misc.: We did start the engine; the AC came on strong & cold. The door cupholders are now upright v. angled. The sunroof appears unchanged; some will say too small. The drive mode selector (Tarmac-Snow-Gravel) has been replaced by a button. Front center cupholders are now in front of the shift lever, reducing but not eliminating the storage cubby. Emergency key storage (in case the fob battery dies) is now in the cubby & not the glovebox. Steering wheel controls are better integrated.
- Adaptive Cruise Control & Lane Departure Warning controls were there so the promised features have been delivered.
Overall I'd say it's a major upgrade. I'm still waiting for the PHEV edition, which my salesman said would be released in September. He said that the PHEV should command about an $8K premium so I'd have to do the math to see what the payback would be.
#979 of 982 Re: Checked out the '14 Outlander GT this morning [fushigi]
Jun 13, 2013 (8:12 pm)
35K plus tax for an Outtie is getting into the BMW X-1 range.. .I'm going to be looking to trade my '07 XLS 4WD for a new ride in January.. I still love my 07 with 80K on the clock however, the trade value will still be good with only 80K because of the transferable 100K drive train warranty...If I can do a deal for a V6 4WD leather at around 31K or so, I will strongly consider purchasing a 2014 Outtie..