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#69 of 200 What gets on my nerves and Battery TSB.
Jan 03, 2008 (7:40 am)
That last post was written in such an obnoxious manner that I can't believe I'm trying to help you.
FORD: 2005-2008 Mustang
2005 Explorer Sport Trac
2005-2008 Expedition, Explorer
2007-2008 Explorer Sport Trac
LINCOLN: 2005-2008 Navigator
MERCURY: 2005-2008 Mountaineer
Some 2005-2008 Mustang , Explorer 4dr, Mountaineer, Expedition, Navigator, 2005 Explorer Sport Trac and 2007-2008 Explorer Sport Trac vehicles may experience a no start and have a discharged battery. They are usually stored for prolonged periods of time or are driven infrequently for short distances. Batteries will discharge while the vehicle is in storage due to normal current draw loads. Over a period of time, 30 days or more, vehicles in storage will have shallow to deeply discharged batteries as a result of lack of use or normal current draw.
Follow the Service Tips steps to correct the condition.
Charging system diagnostics and battery draw test are located in Workshop Manual, Section 414-00.
Discharged batteries need to be properly recharged following the procedures in TSB 07-5-8.
All modern automobiles have several micro processors in their electrical system that will draw small amounts of electrical current when the vehicle key is off. Normal current draw is between 20-30 milliamps (workshop manual specification is up to 50 milliamps 0.050 amps).
The more discharged a battery becomes, the more susceptible it is to permanent damage. This is more likely in low temperatures (below 32 °F (0 °C).
Batteries will discharge while the vehicle is in storage due to normal current draw loads. Over a period of time (30 days or more), vehicles in storage will have shallow to deeply discharged batteries as a result of lack of use or normal current draw.
NOTE: ELECTRICAL OR ELECTRONIC ACCESSORIES OR COMPONENTS ADDED TO THE VEHICLE BY THE DEALER OR BY THE OWNER WILL INCREASE THE CURRENT DRAW LOADS AND ADVERSELY AFFECT BATTERY PERFORMANCE AND DURABILITY.
The vehicle's charging system is designed to supply the vehicle's electrical power needs and maintain the battery to near full charge during normal vehicle use. The charging system is not capable of bringing a deeply discharged battery back to near full charge in a short amount of time such as allowing the vehicle to idle for 15 minutes to "recharge the battery" or from short drive cycles.
Short drive cycles will only provide a small surface charge to the battery. To fully recharge a battery that is fully discharged requires operating the vehicle for approximately two (2) hours with engine speed above 1500 RPM.
Vehicles that are stored for extended periods or are driven infrequently for short distances may need to use an auxiliary battery maintainer/charger that is expressly designed to maintain the battery state of charge during storage. These maintainers/chargers are available in the automotive aftermarket and should be used according to their manufacturer's direction.
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I am always willing to try to help people who have questions or problems that their dealer can't seem to help them with if I can.
I don't need to come to the forum though to read people bitching about how bad Fords are written in the implication that Fords are uniquely worse then other vehicles out there.
#70 of 200 Get a Battery minder.
Jan 03, 2008 (7:44 am)
Under $50 from Walmart, they even have solar poweared ones for those who don't garage their cars.
Read my post of above. If you do, you will understand that if there is a 50 milliamp or less draw on your battery while the car is OFF then there is no problem with the electrical system.
Even though you are driving your car on an average of once per week, you are clearly not driving it far enough to recover from the discharge that is occuring while the car sits.
#71 of 200 Re: What gets on my nerves and Battery TSB. [mschmal]
Jan 03, 2008 (8:22 am)
Is this a new TSB posted somewhere? I have been very vigilant about keeping up on TSBs and haven't seen this one. Thanks for addressing this issue I am at wits end with my car, but LOVE it and Ford...wouldn't drive anything else! I am just curious what I can tell my dealer to point them in the right direction. The current dealer that I am working with (I switched from one because they treated me like I am a stupid girl) is very good and I trust that they have checked things out thoroughly, but they still couldn't find anything wrong the last time I had my car in the beginning of December.
#72 of 200 Re: What gets on my nerves and Battery TSB. [mschmal]
Jan 03, 2008 (2:10 pm)
Thanks for the posting. Unfortunately, it does not appear to address the discharge problem suffered by myself and others when the vehicle has been parked for a relatively short time (less than two weeks). Turning the radio off and not engaging the anti-theft system has taken care of it for me.
#73 of 200 Re: What gets on my nerves and Battery TSB. [cccompson]
Jan 03, 2008 (5:15 pm)
this might sound stupid but maybe you have a short somewhere? obviously somethin is pulling power from your battery even when its off.. so if its not the electronics of your car.. its probably a short or somethin?
#74 of 200 Please read the TSB
Jan 04, 2008 (11:39 am)
If you check your car when it is off, it should be drawing 50 or less milliamps. If that is the case, then your car is operating as designed.
more than 50 milliamps you have something broken.
less than 50 milliamps, you have a normal Mustang.
Second, if you read the TSB, you will clearly see that just because you drive the car on a regular basis, if you do not drive it far or long enough to deep charge the battery, you are still going to need to jump it. Hence the battery minder.
PS the TSB I posted was:
07-5-13 DISCHARGED BATTERIES - VEHICLES IN STORAGE/LIMITED USAGE
Publication Date: March 5, 2007
#75 of 200 Re: Please read the TSB [mschmal]
by MrShift@Edmunds HOST
Jan 04, 2008 (1:52 pm)
Also don't ever charge a completely discharged battery with your alternator. Use a trickle charger to bring the battery back up, THEN drive it.
#76 of 200 Re: What gets on my nerves and Battery TSB. [mellor_21]
Jan 04, 2008 (3:54 pm)
No, not likely a short - tests have shown that the Shaker radio draws a signifcant amount even when the car is turned off if the radio is left on. The various Mustang websites have discussed this issue at length. I don't know exactly how much power the anti-theft uses (or is designed to use) but logically it has to take some. Fortunately, mine's garaged in a safe area and so system activation is not necessary.
#77 of 200 Re: What gets on my nerves and Battery TSB. [cccompson]
Jan 07, 2008 (7:11 am)
I am just getting frustrated with my car. I have an under hood trickle charger mounted on the car that hasn't been attached to the battery since March when I took the car "out of storage." I have tried to re-create the draw, but am struggling with that. Because of all the info on the Shaker Radio pulling the draw I have tried to empty the CD player and let it sit. I have re-loaded the player and let it sit. I cannot re-produce it. It is a lot of trial and error right now. This is an '05 with only 5600 mi. on it, so I know that it doesn't get much use, however, half of those miles are from this year alone and this is the first time since '05 that I have had ANY problems or complaints. This car is babied beyond belief...that may be the problem.
Jan 07, 2008 (4:54 pm)
Folks, ponies are meant to have their legs stretched. Storing a car in the winter and dead batteries go together like ham and cheese. My 2000 GT Vert does the same thing. I usually just buy a new battery every March or April....goes with the territory.
The worse thing you can do is run it ocassionally for short periods of time. Builds up a lot of condensation in the exhaust too when you do this.
If you just lay it up for the winter, pull the battery out and store it inside the house. Then, in the spring, use a deep-cycle charger to boost it up and install it.
Each time the battery goes dead, the computer will have to reprogram itself too....it is not just the radio pre-sets. You are supposed to start the car and let it idle until it warms up before you drive it too. This ensures that the idle speed is set correctly and allows the car to be out of "open-loop" mode.