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#127 of 200 2010 Ford Mustang Passenger Airbag Off signal when passenger present!
Feb 11, 2010 (5:12 pm)
I'm starting to get cheesed off at my dealership who can't reproduce the problem described in title. I brought my wife to the dealership this morning to demonstrate to the service rep, and he turned me away claimming that I have to talk to the manager first. ?? I called the manager twice today..seems he's out today.
Why do I need the manager to see the problem..wouldn't it be enough to show the service rep or one of the technitions who appeared to be available???
It's clear I'm getting a bit of runaround.
I'm working with Ford customer relations at the same time..their engineer couldn't reproduce the problem so the issue remains. This is becomming frustrating.
I, nor my wife, have time for this.
Has anyone else experienced passenger seat belt light OFF when an adult is sitting in passenger seat? It sounds like an obvious case of a bad sensor.
By the way, I did some research on the importance of airbags. In short, they SAVE LIVES! Even when seat belts are used.
Here are some findings from: http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/Cars/rules/regrev/evaluate/808470.html
"For drivers reported as belted in FARS, air bags reduced fatality risk by a statistically significant 21 percent in purely frontal impacts (confidence bounds: 9 to 33 percent). In other words, in a purely frontal impact, a belted driver has 21 percent lower fatality risk in a car equipped with an air bag than in a similar car without an air bag."
This is why it is important to have a sensor that works propperly:
"The agency's Special Crash Investigation teams, as of July 1996, have identified 22 fatalities of child passengers in low-severity frontal crashes of vehicles equipped with dual air bags (14 before the end of 1995 and 8 during January-July 1996). Infants in rear-facing safety seats, and unrestrained or improperly restrained children who were out of position prior to the main impact, appear to have contacted the air bag during the forceful early phase of its deployment."
"Infants in rear-facing child safety seats should never be placed in the front seat if the vehicle has a passenger-side air bag. The safest place for children of all ages is the back seat. If riding in the back seat is not an option, toddlers and older children may ride in the front seat of a vehicle with a passenger-side air bag, but only if buckled up properly and with the seat moved as far back as possible."
And in Summary:
"If no passenger cars or light trucks had been equipped with driver or passenger air bags, it is estimated that a total of 1136 additional fatalities would have occurred during 1986-95 (approximate confidence bounds: 692 to 1622)."
So as you can see, this is some serious stuff that should be taken seriously and I don't appreciate how this Ford dealership in Poway, CA is dealing with this issue.
#128 of 200 Re: 2010 Ford Mustang Passenger Airbag Off signal when passenger present! [jmaroun]
Feb 12, 2010 (6:10 am)
Sounds like you need a new dealer. If you can reproduce it then it should be cut and dried to get the sensor replaced.
And while I agree with airbags in general and especially for the driver, I question the effectiveness of passenger airbags for passengers who are properly belted in. Airbags were originally developed because people wouldn't wear seatbelts. I'm thinking if the crash is bad enough for the passenger to contact the dash (while belted), then an airbag is probably too little too late. Side airbags are a different matter though.
I'm not questioning whether you should get this fixed and I probably wouldn't disable a passenger airbag given the choice. And airbags for the driver and side impact are no brainers. I just wonder if passenger airbags are really a holdover from the original intent which was to protect unbelted occupants.
#129 of 200 Re: 2010 Ford Mustang Passenger Airbag Off signal when passenger present! [akirby]
Feb 12, 2010 (7:47 am)
There is no need to wonder. Empirical evidence answers your questions.
Passenger airbags are life savers. Equally important to driver air bags.
It took less than 15 seconds to find this information on the internet. Google is our friend.
"FATALITY REDUCTION - PASSENGER AIR BAGS - CAR PASSENGERS AGE 13 OR OLDER
Passenger air bags in cars are effective for right-front occupants age 13 or older in purely frontal crashes. The fatality reduction is statistically significant 27 percent (confidence bounds: 9 to 45 percent).
Air bags reduce the overall fatality risk of car passengers age 13 or older by a statistically significant 13? percent.
The preliminary conclusion is that air bags are about as effective for passengers age 13 or older as for drivers. If so, it is estimated that an additional 88 right front passengers age 13 or older would have died during 1986-95 if no passenger cars or light trucks had been equipped with passenger air bags."
#130 of 200 Re: 2010 Ford Mustang Passenger Airbag Off signal when passenger present! [jmaroun]
Feb 12, 2010 (8:15 am)
Notice that it doesn't say whether the passengers were belted or not. Obviously they can be lifesavers for unbelted passengers. I'd like to see the same statistics looking only at belted occupants before any conclusions are drawn.
Again, I'm not against them - if for no other reason than to protect passengers who refuse or forget to buckle up. Just making an obversation.
#131 of 200 Re: 2010 Ford Mustang Passenger Airbag Off signal when passenger present! [akirby]
by MrShift@Edmunds HOST
Feb 12, 2010 (8:44 am)
I don't think they work as well with unbelted passengers because if you are unbelted you can slide under the bag.
With just the belt on, people were still sustaining serious injuries because they could still contact hard parts in front of them.
#132 of 200 Re: 2010 Ford Mustang Passenger Airbag Off signal when passenger present! [Mr_Shiftright]
Feb 12, 2010 (7:16 pm)
Also, I'd imagine that a minor frontal collission (at slow speeds), which would injur but not necessarilly kill a passenger without a seat belt and no airbag, could be fatal with no seat belt but with an airbag. This is because an air bag expands quite fast with alot of force..so instead of hitting the dashboard at say 15 or 20 mi/hr, you can end up hitting an air bag at upward of 200 mph! That wouldn't be fun.
Airbags and seat belts work best when used together propperly. Doing so significantly improves driver and passenger chances of surving a random crash. That's what I get out of that report. That's what I plan on doing.
And bottom line,..I want this airbag light fixed..all airbags should be active at all times when adults are in the front seats. I hope they'll be able to fix it.
#133 of 200 2004 Mach 1 Headlight Problems
Mar 03, 2010 (7:23 pm)
I have a 2004 Mach 1 and the low beam headlights will not turn on. The high beam lights, fog lights and turn signals all work. I'd like to have an idea of what could be wrong before taking it in to be repaired.
#134 of 200 Re: 2004 Mach 1 Headlight Problems [mach1girl]
Mar 04, 2010 (6:10 am)
Check the realy under the hood. They look like big fuses and are in a plastic box. Not sure if the low beams have a separate relay or not - if they do then that's probably it. If not then it's probably the switch.
#135 of 200 2006 V6 Electrical short?
Mar 04, 2010 (10:04 am)
My 2006 V6 with the pony package completely loses power when the fog or headlamps are turned on. Both the alternator and battery have been tested and are fine. Has any one else had this problem and any clues as to where this short is coming from?
#136 of 200 2010 Ford Mustang Passenger Airbag Off signal, when adult in passenger seat
Mar 08, 2010 (11:48 am)
At this point, I just don't think the car is safe anylonger.
So Ford customer relations had me drive around this weekend with a "flight recorder" (some sort of recorder attatched to the car's CPU with cables all over the place), in hopes of catching this event on tape so to speak. I was a bit annoyed that they'd require me to test the car risking my family's safety. I reluctantly agreed to do it since the dealer was unable to reproduce the problem. Sure enough, this weekend..the light went off like clock work as I drove my wife around the block to a near by parking lot. We even tried it on the highway..and it went off there too. Basically, the light goes off spuradically, with no warning..stays on for an equally random amount of time, anywhere from 3 minutes to for the whole ride. Finally got my wife on the scales this weekend and found she weighs 118.5 lbs. That should be enough weight for the sensor to identify and adult present.
So, I'll be returning this gadget to the dealership today. Now, I want this fixed..or my money back!