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#120 of 200 2010 Ford Mustang Passenger Airbag Off signal when passenger present!
Dec 06, 2009 (10:45 am)
It's consistant. Whenever my wife is in the passenger seat of my 2010 Ford Mustang GT, invariably, everytime without question, the fking passenger airbag is off signal pops up after we've been driving for a few minutes. My wife doesn't usually ride in my car..but on occassion when she does, like this weekend, this issue always occurs. This ANGERS me so much since it places my wife in danger.
Now, I've already spoken to Ford designers and a Ford dealership about this. Both give the same annoying response like questioning about propper seating position or if my wife weighs less than 50lbs! They offer suggestions like moving the seat back or to move around a bit in the seat to get the sensor active. What a bunch of BS. My wife sits propperly, and weighs around 110lbs or so. Furthermore, moving the seat or seat position does NOT help. There is NO F'king excuse anyhow..the airbags should reliably sense if any adult is present. PERIOD! I will bring this up to my Ford dealer again on Monday. If I get the same BS casual indifference..I will take it to a higher level. Damit!
#121 of 200 Re: 2010 Ford Mustang Passenger Airbag Off signal when passenger present! [jmaroun]
Dec 07, 2009 (6:09 am)
I'm not convinced that passenger airbags are all that useful if the passenger is wearing a seatbelt. That said, I understand your concern. Next time it happens, try switching seats (without turning the car off) and see what happens. If it stays deactivated then it's a bad sensor. If it only deactivates with your wife, try adding some weight (5 or 10 lbs at a time) until it changes. If you can prove that the weight threshold is over 100 lbs then there should be no argument. If you can't get the first dealer to fix it then try another dealer. Then go to Ford. It's difficult for Ford to do anything without a cooperating dealer.
#122 of 200 catastrophic electrical failure
Dec 11, 2009 (11:07 am)
While driving 60mph at night my wife lost all her lights and every warning light on her dash went on. After making it off the road she turned off car and put it in park. After a few minutes she could start the car with everything back to normal except the check engine light was on. She had it towed to the nearest dealer who has not been able to diagnose the problem after 1 week. She does not want to drive it again until someone can tell her what went wrong. She wants to sell the car if this issue cannot be remedied. 06 'stang GT 44,000 mi.
Any suggestions would be appreciated. Thanks, Billy C.
#123 of 200 electrical problem 2005 mustang gt
Dec 18, 2009 (5:21 pm)
I am asking for help with my GT. Today all of the sudden, my turn signals went on. My head lights and brake lights don't work. My windows won't roll up or down. My stereo doesn't work. My locks don't work. The fob won't work. I am a total loss! Please help!!!!!
#124 of 200 At a loss, Need Advice Please...
Feb 04, 2010 (4:08 pm)
99 Mustang Convertible....So I have no power locks, no door chime when door is open with key in ignition, no keyless entry remote (wont even open the trunk) and no windshield wipers. Has anyone seen anything like this? None if these issues have happened before, no intermittent problems or anything. Other wise the car runs great....OK, I've checked the grounds, still nothing. I rechecked all the fuses also. I'm at a loss.....
#125 of 200 Re: At a loss, Need Advice Please... [eric10870w]
Feb 04, 2010 (6:06 pm)
Could be the FEM (front end module).
#126 of 200 guage cluster
Feb 11, 2010 (4:19 pm)
I have an 05 mustang v6 and the guages have started not working. Started with the temp guage it just goes round and round (car is not overheating) then moved to the gas (same thing) I can use the electronic mileage indicator so the float seems to be working and now the battery indicator is not working. The only ones that are working are the tach, oil pressure, and speedomoter. Any suggestions?
#127 of 200 2010 Ford Mustang Passenger Airbag Off signal when passenger present!
Feb 11, 2010 (5:12 pm)
I'm starting to get cheesed off at my dealership who can't reproduce the problem described in title. I brought my wife to the dealership this morning to demonstrate to the service rep, and he turned me away claimming that I have to talk to the manager first. ?? I called the manager twice today..seems he's out today.
Why do I need the manager to see the problem..wouldn't it be enough to show the service rep or one of the technitions who appeared to be available???
It's clear I'm getting a bit of runaround.
I'm working with Ford customer relations at the same time..their engineer couldn't reproduce the problem so the issue remains. This is becomming frustrating.
I, nor my wife, have time for this.
Has anyone else experienced passenger seat belt light OFF when an adult is sitting in passenger seat? It sounds like an obvious case of a bad sensor.
By the way, I did some research on the importance of airbags. In short, they SAVE LIVES! Even when seat belts are used.
Here are some findings from: http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/Cars/rules/regrev/evaluate/808470.html
"For drivers reported as belted in FARS, air bags reduced fatality risk by a statistically significant 21 percent in purely frontal impacts (confidence bounds: 9 to 33 percent). In other words, in a purely frontal impact, a belted driver has 21 percent lower fatality risk in a car equipped with an air bag than in a similar car without an air bag."
This is why it is important to have a sensor that works propperly:
"The agency's Special Crash Investigation teams, as of July 1996, have identified 22 fatalities of child passengers in low-severity frontal crashes of vehicles equipped with dual air bags (14 before the end of 1995 and 8 during January-July 1996). Infants in rear-facing safety seats, and unrestrained or improperly restrained children who were out of position prior to the main impact, appear to have contacted the air bag during the forceful early phase of its deployment."
"Infants in rear-facing child safety seats should never be placed in the front seat if the vehicle has a passenger-side air bag. The safest place for children of all ages is the back seat. If riding in the back seat is not an option, toddlers and older children may ride in the front seat of a vehicle with a passenger-side air bag, but only if buckled up properly and with the seat moved as far back as possible."
And in Summary:
"If no passenger cars or light trucks had been equipped with driver or passenger air bags, it is estimated that a total of 1136 additional fatalities would have occurred during 1986-95 (approximate confidence bounds: 692 to 1622)."
So as you can see, this is some serious stuff that should be taken seriously and I don't appreciate how this Ford dealership in Poway, CA is dealing with this issue.
#128 of 200 Re: 2010 Ford Mustang Passenger Airbag Off signal when passenger present! [jmaroun]
Feb 12, 2010 (6:10 am)
Sounds like you need a new dealer. If you can reproduce it then it should be cut and dried to get the sensor replaced.
And while I agree with airbags in general and especially for the driver, I question the effectiveness of passenger airbags for passengers who are properly belted in. Airbags were originally developed because people wouldn't wear seatbelts. I'm thinking if the crash is bad enough for the passenger to contact the dash (while belted), then an airbag is probably too little too late. Side airbags are a different matter though.
I'm not questioning whether you should get this fixed and I probably wouldn't disable a passenger airbag given the choice. And airbags for the driver and side impact are no brainers. I just wonder if passenger airbags are really a holdover from the original intent which was to protect unbelted occupants.
#129 of 200 Re: 2010 Ford Mustang Passenger Airbag Off signal when passenger present! [akirby]
Feb 12, 2010 (7:47 am)
There is no need to wonder. Empirical evidence answers your questions.
Passenger airbags are life savers. Equally important to driver air bags.
It took less than 15 seconds to find this information on the internet. Google is our friend.
"FATALITY REDUCTION - PASSENGER AIR BAGS - CAR PASSENGERS AGE 13 OR OLDER
Passenger air bags in cars are effective for right-front occupants age 13 or older in purely frontal crashes. The fatality reduction is statistically significant 27 percent (confidence bounds: 9 to 45 percent).
Air bags reduce the overall fatality risk of car passengers age 13 or older by a statistically significant 13? percent.
The preliminary conclusion is that air bags are about as effective for passengers age 13 or older as for drivers. If so, it is estimated that an additional 88 right front passengers age 13 or older would have died during 1986-95 if no passenger cars or light trucks had been equipped with passenger air bags."