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Volvo C70, Convertible
#37 of 76 Re: Back to the original topic - BMW Convertible [volvomax]
Jan 26, 2007 (5:21 pm)
In my own case, our initial search criteria was for a four-seat convertible. The long list covered a lot of price range, and a lot of wildly-divergent cars: Mustang GT, Mitsubishi Eclipse Spyder, Toyota Solara, Pontiac G6, Volvo C70, Saab 9-3, BMW 3-series, Audi A4 Cab., VW Eos. We had a sort of unofficial out-the-door price cap of $50,000, so that left out the Mercedes CLK, and definitely excluded the BMW 6-series convertible.
We decided that we definitely liked the idea of a retractable hard-top, so the short list became the G6, Eos, C70, and the sole rag-top in the short list, the A4. At that time we didn't know about the new BMW 3-series, so it was only the old model. The G6 got ruled out first, for being (to us) a little plastic-y on the inside, although I like the exterior styling, and it would have saved us a lot of money. If the A4 had a retractable hardtop, I think I might have gone in that direction, but the overall package of the C70 won. (The Eos was also very nice, and some aspects of it are arguably better than the C70, but we liked the C70's styling much better. My wife was also bothered by how much the top operation made the car bounce and juggle, while the roof was in motion.)
The new BMW also looks very nice to me, but maybe not enough for what I think the price difference will be. In any case, my wife is the primary driver for our C70 (although I'm driving whenever we're both in the car), and she prefers the C70 styling to the BMW. At most, we are probably only driving the car at "seven tenths", and so FWD is not a real deterrent.
Jan 28, 2007 (2:45 am)
Found this video - appears to be official BMW footage for eventual use in promos. I think it's a pretty car with the top down, although the back end doesn't really look like a bimmer to me. There is very little footage of the car top up and for good reason, I think. The top looks like one of those bulky hard shell replacements you had to have your friends help you put on in the fall when the drop top season was over. In my opinion, the C70 is a lot more attractive top up than the BMW, and more dynamic top down.
#39 of 76 Re: video [redbuzz]
Jan 28, 2007 (9:17 am)
I really don't like the BMW.
The rear of the car is ugly, the shape of the front seats looks bulky, the shape of the back seats looks unconfortable.
The only thing I would maybe like to have is the front seat belt system which again looks ugly but seems practical on this kind of cars.
So no regret for me, I just did a 360 miles trip the last 24 hours (mostly expressways) with my C70 and it was like a dream, cruise control + music relatively at high volume, heating seat on level 1, A/C on automatic, this is the perfect car for me and I like the look of everybody looking at the car when I pass them. They must think: "What is this car I never saw before?" I really feel like a star...
#40 of 76 Re: video [lemenn]
Jan 28, 2007 (10:56 am)
You ARE a star!!! A star to this forum!!!
#41 of 76 Re: video [cucci]
Jan 28, 2007 (11:29 am)
#42 of 76 Re: video [cucci]
Jan 29, 2007 (8:14 am)
I agree. I love the C70. The lines, the style, the ride... I love the fact that the number being produced is limited (unlike the BMWs). The limited number will keep the re-sale value up and will keep the C70 unique among cars on the road. It really is a "superstar"!
#43 of 76 Re: video [cucci]
Jan 29, 2007 (10:18 am)
Should I start a fan's club?
#44 of 76 Winter report
Mar 03, 2007 (5:22 am)
Just reporting back in after an absence of several months. Have had my manual tranny C70 for 4 months now...live in Wisc. so the top has been down twice. Agree with volvomax, the C70 is fast enough for my use....also....we have had nothing but snow and more snow all winter......the front wheel drive on the C70 has cruised through the snow....I'm amazed at it's ability. This is a great car in every way. I've owned Saabs and Audis....this is a much better car.
#45 of 76 BMW is Nice
Mar 03, 2007 (8:42 am)
The new BMW is pretty nice looking. However, we own a 1997 328 convertible and my wife is ready for something new/different.
I consider the two options similar enough to evaluate, but our evaluation eliminated the BMW. Keep in my our evaluation was subjective.
The BMW favors performance (RWD, better weight distribution, etc.). The Volvo favors touring (fwd, softer suspension, etc.). I was able to autocross with our current BMW, but I will not autocross the Volvo... this makes my wife happy. I now have a different car for autocrossing.
Our C70 will be my wife's daily driver and for a daily driver, this car is absolutely fabulous. The versatility of the fwd helped sway our decision.
Also a minor influence was my mood towards BMW has soured over the years. Our car has been excellent, but the dealers were mediocre and the new styles are not to my liking.
The BMW is certainly more competition for the C70 and Eos. I don't see how it can't be.
I believe competition is good for both owners and buyers. Keeps the automakers on their game. Nothing is more irritating than a dealer who thinks they are the only ones with what you want...
#46 of 76 Re: new BMW 3-series conv. pricing (US)
Mar 23, 2007 (4:05 pm)
For those who are interested, the US BMW web site (www.bmw.com, then pick US) now has the "build your car" feature running for the new 3-series convertible, with retractable hard-top.
MSRP for the 230hp 328i conv. is $43,200, so about $4K over a C70. MSRP for the 300hp 335i is $49,100, or about $10K over (of course you are getting a much more powerful engine with the 335).
I did a "build it" exercise, to put options on that were more or less like my C70, and the 328i stayed $4-5k more expensive, and broke the magic $50k barrier. The 335i didn't go up quite as much, as some more things are standard on it, ending up $8-9k more than my C70.
Bottom line for me is that seeing the pricing of the BMW has reinforced that I made a good decision in getting the C70. Moreover, with the price difference between the 328i and 335i being only around $4k (when optioned equivalently), I would have a hard time resisting the temptation of the 335i. So practically speaking, getting the C70 saved me $8-9k, not just the $4-5K for the more comparable 328i. (I know that's not logical, but if car buying was just logic we'd all be driving a Toyota Prius.) That said, both BMW models are pretty nicely done.