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Ford Edge Too Heavy? How's the Handling?

80 messages,  Last post on Jan 23, 2007 at 10:59 AM

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#61 of 80
Re: Not a good review... [mschmal] by sranger
Dec 17, 2006 (2:34 pm)
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Replying to: mschmal (Dec 17, 2006 1:31 pm)

I hope you are right and Ford has fixed the braking problem that both Edmunds and CarAndDriver found.
 
I like the Edge, but I have decided to keep my Mariner for another year and see if the Edge is reliable and has the braking problem fixed... ( Also is it likely that there will be rebates by this time next year... )
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Rebates at Ford, by mschmal
Dec 18, 2006 (4:10 am)
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This is to everyone out there who is considering buying a new car. In the past, US automakers made 2 many cars. Because of UAW rules and non-modern plants that were not flexible, it was cheaper for the company to put out a big rebate to sell more vehicles than to idle the factory.
 
NOW, the automakers are making less vehicles, at fewer plants that are upgraded to allow production to reflect demand.
 
In addition, thanks to internet shopping, Manufacturers are LOWERING the MSRP on vehicles to be closer to the final transaction cost in the past.
 
Fords latest car models, the Fusion, 500, and Mustang never had significant rebates until well into the next model years selling season.
 
Even the new Explorer hsd not has the huge rebates it had in the past.
 
The best deals are usually in August.
 
Mark.
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Re: Not a good review... [mschmal] by markan
Dec 18, 2006 (5:59 am)
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Replying to: mschmal (Dec 17, 2006 1:31 pm)

This is great news. Thanks for the update. To the engineers out there, how much will this improve stopping distance?
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Re: Rebates at Ford, [mschmal] by sranger
Dec 18, 2006 (11:07 am)
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Replying to: mschmal (Dec 18, 2006 4:10 am)

Sorry, I am not buying it. I still think they will be desprate to get rid of them by this time next year and we will see the same 2-3K rebates. Once the new wears off ( 1-2 months ) people will realize that it is not any better than some of it's competators and is more expensive that some. Also the new 2008 Hylander will be out by then with the 269hp V6 with the 6speed from the Avalon. It will be hyped up in all of the auto mags and people will quit looking at the Edge....
 
P.S you can get a 1K rebate on a 2007 fusion right now. A co-worker just bought a 2007 Explorer for 6K under MSRP. However, even if Ford does not offer a rebate, the dealers will still have to offer a hearvy discount to move them as there is simply too many good alternatives...
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Hevy is safer... by mschmal
Dec 20, 2006 (11:30 am)
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If you visit www.highwaysafety.org, and check out the crash test news release about Minicars, the Versa did the best because it is bigger and heavier than the Fit, Yaris, Aveo, Accent.
 
Newtonian physics dictate that when two objects collide, the object with greater mass will transfer energy or loose energy to the object with less mass.
 
If you are in a lighter vehicle hit by a heavier vehicle, you stand a good chance of coming out the worst of the two vehicles.
 
Anway, the way the guy from IIHS talks in the video about the Minicar test, you feel ENCOURAGED to give up a little fuel economy to have more car around you to protect you in a crash.
 
Mark.
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Edge depreciation. by mschmal
Dec 20, 2006 (11:32 am)
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Incidently, the independant company that sets lease end values gave Edge the HIGHEST residual percentage for any vehicle in its class.
 
Somebody out there thinks Edge will hold its value, and banks will be risking alot of money on that recommendation.
 
Mark.
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Re: He[a]vy is safer... [mschmal] by tidester HOST
Dec 20, 2006 (4:54 pm)
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Replying to: mschmal (Dec 20, 2006 11:30 am)

Newtonian physics dictate that when two objects collide, the object with greater mass will transfer energy or loose energy to the object with less mass.
 
Not exactly. If the more massive object is stationary just before impact it will acquire kinetic energy while the lighter one loses kinetic energy.
 
What you meant to say is that while the exchange of momentum between the two is equal and opposite, the change in speed of the more massive object is less than that of the lighter object. This is why your conclusion is correct and why the windshield wins over the bug.
 
tidester, host
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Re: Edge depreciation. [mschmal] by sranger
Dec 20, 2006 (7:02 pm)
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Replying to: mschmal (Dec 20, 2006 11:32 am)

I would not want to be the guy/gal that made that decision in a couple of years when the first leases are up....
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Re: Hevy is safer... [mschmal] by bobw3
Dec 22, 2006 (10:02 am)
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Replying to: mschmal (Dec 20, 2006 11:30 am)

If you visit www.highwaysafety.org, and check out the crash test news release about Minicars, the Versa did the best because it is bigger and heavier than the Fit, Yaris, Aveo, Accent.
 
Actually, the Versa only did better in the rear impact test, which is a test of the seats and headrests on 20mph impact. Nothing at all to do with weight.
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Re: He[a]vy is safer... [mschmal] [tidester] by sranger
Dec 22, 2006 (5:50 pm)
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Replying to: tidester (Dec 20, 2006 4:54 pm)

Excellent answer about the physics...
 
However, the crumple zones on the car do far more to save the lives of the occupants than the weight. It is better to decelerate the car more slowly by allowing the energy to be absorbed by bending metal...

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