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Ford Edge, Suspension, SUV
#31 of 80 Re: Edge Too Heavy -- A FreeStyle is Lighter & Bigger [kgford]
Nov 04, 2006 (6:43 pm)
To be accurate and avoid confusion, use Car&Driver (CAndDwebsite--click here) Car & Driver is very experienced. Edmunds.com has problems with correct judgement and views in some cases, probably due to inexperience or lack of an engineering background from the authors.
Nov 04, 2006 (6:51 pm)
A load Edge is over 4500 lbs! That's getting into Explorer territory. Let's face it--the thing came in too heavy.....I think perhaps Ford should've put the 3.5L in the Freestyle and abandoned the Edge idea altogether. The Freestyle is a superb vehicle, very very underrated (b/c of its wheezy Duratec)........oh, by the way, I've heard grievances in the past about how Edmunds.com staff isn't all that "technical". Such complaints are nonsense. Edmunds's tests are every bit as competent as the major car mags. You don't need a CalTech background to test cars, you just need a passion for the work. (There are plenty of columns and tutorials on this site that demonstrate the automotive knowledge of the Edmunds staff. Check them out.)
#33 of 80 Re: Edge Overweight [walterquint]
Nov 04, 2006 (7:06 pm)
"A loaded Edge is over 4500 lbs"
By comparison, I own an '05 F150 2WD short-bed, and it is 4615 lbs empty. That F150 is the latest version, and its beefy, so the smaller edge approaching that is incredible. And, an engineering degree helps a lot. I've got two, and I can tell you its usefull to be accurate in describing the way the world really works. Many Car & Driver staff members have one, and they use it. Edmunds.com people are not dummies, but its hard to compete with Car&Driver with all their superior experience.
#34 of 80 Re: Edge Overweight [coldcranker]
Nov 04, 2006 (8:25 pm)
A loaded Edge is over 4500 lbs
No it's not! Where do they get this stuff? Here are the curb weights directly from the Ford website:
And I don't know for sure whether the Murano is quicker, but I do know you can't use test results from a different test 3 weeks ago, much less 3 years ago. Until they're tested at the same time by the same people it's not a valid comparison.
Nov 05, 2006 (2:34 am)
Check CarandDriver's recent test of a loaded AWD Edge (the likely typical configuration for buyers). It's over 4500 lbs. Face it--very few dealers will order the lighter 2WD Edges (less profit, buyers want AWD). The unibody Edge should be at least 250 lbs lighter.......I'm not saying the Edge is a bad vehicle. I merely suggest that buyers in this category aren't looking for a heavy beast. The Murano is a success because its advertising campaign stresses light-on-its-feet nimbleness.........Add 4 passengers and cargo and the Edge's superb engine is gonna strain itself, to be sure.
#36 of 80 Re: Edge Overweight [walterquint]
Nov 05, 2006 (1:31 pm)
Yeah, buyers ALWAYS look at curb weights before buying a vehicle. "Oh wow - this is a really great vehicle but it weighs 200 lbs more than it should." How silly.
The extra weight comes from the huge vista roof, an option that not everyone will get. We'll just have to wait for a head to head comparison to answer the question. Right now you're just speculating (or hoping and praying).
#37 of 80 Re: Edge Overweight [akirby]
Nov 05, 2006 (8:22 pm)
Weight affects performance, obviously. You are right, though, that some buyers may be ignorant. One need only look at fuel economy, acceleration, braking, and turning (skidpad, agility) to get the picture. Some people buy a car because it comes in their favorite color. Others are more analytical. By the way, the Lincoln MKX (Edge clone) AWD version is 4616 lbs (Car&Driver), exactly 1 lb heavier than my F150. The Edge may be ~100 lbs less than an MKX, putting it at about 4500 lbs or so.
#38 of 80 Re: Edge Overweight [coldcranker]
Nov 05, 2006 (10:44 pm)
Several, I mean article after article are saying things like the following (taken from where else but an Edmunds article):
"Driving dynamics should be considered a strong point for the Edge. It has standard Ford steering, meaning accurate and communicative, and the ride/handling balance is about perfect for the target customer (I'd personally prefer a bit stiffer suspension settings, but most buyers will like the tuning). Acceleration is also strong, if not class leading."
We've seen the following weight comparison:
A BMW X3 curb weight is 4,012 - with a 3l engine.
A Subaru Tribeca is 4,210 - with a 3l engine.
A Honda Pilot weighs 4,453 - with a 3.5l engine.
A BMW X5 weighs 4,696 lbs - with a 3l engine.
A Volkswagon Taureg weighs 5,086 lbs - with a 3.2l V6.
We've heard that it out accelerates and handles just like a Murano. So tell me, concretely, why do you care about the weight. If the vehicle is faster than its compeition and handles just like them, do you really care? Can't we find something else to try and bash this vehicle about because this is ridiculous. A Merc S-Class is a maybe 4,000 - 5,000 pound vehicle that beats everything that is relavant 0-60 and handles with the best of them. I have yet to hear about its weight being an issue. This is what we call a non-issue.
#39 of 80 Re: Edge Overweight [coldcranker]
Nov 05, 2006 (10:46 pm)
It doesn't have a manumatic. Now that is a draw back. See I can be nice at times too.
#40 of 80 Re: Edge Overweight [driverdm]
Nov 06, 2006 (5:38 am)
That's exactly my point - weight by itself means nothing. The proof is in the performance and we haven't seen any head to head tests with the Murano (but I'm sure it's coming). Then we can discuss it.
I do find it interesting that every other review on the Edge seems different than the MT review. That has to tell you something.