Last post on May 15, 2013 at 10:39 PM
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Lexus LS 460, Sedan
#290 of 300 Traded my 2013 Toyota Avalon in after 2300 miles É
Feb 03, 2013 (3:03 pm)
wait there is more.
I traded it in on a 2012 Avalon, which is much more "Premium Luxury Sedan" then the 2013 (in my opinion). In any case. After all is said and done, I should have purchased the used LS 460 that I REALLY wanted:(
Oh, I highlighted "Premium Luxury Sedan" because that is what Toyota claims the New Avalon is?
- Sports Mode Controls
- Sports Paddle Shifters?
- Sports Ride?
- Low Profile tires?
- Seats that have much greater bolstering for sharp turns?
So a few questions if I may.
- What is maintenance like for those with a used LS, that they have serviced at a local service center or Toyota dealer? I ask, because I'm guessing it's a lot less money for service work there, instead of the Lexus dealer?
- What will I like about trading my 2012 Avalon in on a LS?
- What might I not like?
- What kind of things should I watch for, Consider?
- Insurance costs?
Is it worth it, or should I just stop while I'm ahead, and keep the Avalon (for now:))
I put on about 35,000 + miles a year (in sales), so the comfort and quietness is a big deal with me.
The 2013 Avalon was nice but it was
- Smaller inside
- Higher road noise (likely from the 18" tires / rims
- not as comfortable as the 2012 Avalon
- Smaller trunk opening on 2013
- Space Saver Spare on 2013
- No Reclining rear seats on 2013 (we go on 5 - 8 vacations a year with passengers)
While the 2013 Avalon has a hell of a Tech Package, quiet wipers, great Fit, Finish and Trim that I will and do miss, it's missed on other important area for me. I will say, I wasn't a big fan of all the colors for the trim, and or the fact they were raised panels.
In any case, your thoughts and suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
#291 of 300 Re: Traded my 2013 Toyota Avalon in after 2300 miles É [ncee]
Feb 03, 2013 (5:38 pm)
Happy to opine. I have had 3 LSes, 02, 05 and my current 09. Obviously, I love 'em, and each one has been better than the one before. I have 61,000 miles on my 09, and not a single repair has been needed. I have had Lexus do all the service work - the free loaner and the way they treat me is well worth the little extra I pay for the service. It's usually $140 for the nomal service and inspection. On certain mileage intervals, it's more. The 60,000 mile service is the biggest - it's $1200. But that's only every 60,000. It wears very well, holds value very well, and is the most comfortable car I've ever owned, and I've had Mercedes, Volvo and Cadillac & Lincoln before. The Mercedes are really the Driver's car, but SO expensive to service and fix, and they need a LOT of fixing. Cadillac and Lincoln are no longer Luxury to me, they are Near Luxury, Cadillac is Sport now. Not for me at this age. Lexus is pure luxury, but the 460 has just a little sport feel to it that the 430s didn't have. The Avalon is similar but less powerful, FWD and misses the details that Lexus sweats - and they are substantial.
I fully and unreservedly recommend the LS. Stay away frokm the 07, first year they had a few "issues". If you can afford it, I'd get the 10 or newer. They had some nice upgrades in the Technology package starting in 10. Get the Mark Levinson sound, definitely worth it. If you want reclining seats, you'll need the Ultra Luxury package. They are a good buy used, and as solid as a bank vault. If you can afford it, I'd trade the Avalon for one, myself. If I couldn't afford the LS, I'd get the GS or the ES. Also, amazing cars.
#292 of 300 Re: Traded my 2013 Toyota Avalon in after 2300 miles É [nvbanker]
May 09, 2013 (6:55 am)
I am thinking of an used LS460 as well. Prob a 2008, with 40K and the balance of the factory warranty. Appreciate the comments and advice. Owned two Avalons and a LS400 previously. Little worried about the premium gas and lower gas mileage. That said I don't believe the gas will have much of an impact if I understand this right? I've read that the LS actually gets close to 30 on the hwy which is what my Avalon got... And since I drive only 8 to 10K mi per year the extra $.020 cents a gal for premium wont have a big impact. I typically keep my cars about 5-6 years. So in 6yrs with 100K on the LS what if any will be the repairs and resale? Is it worth it to spend about 3K for a Costo repair coverage? Also, difficult to find any LS's local and they are less expensive in other states. Any experience on buying out-of-state, I'm in NorCal?
Advice opinions experiences. Thks
#293 of 300 Re: Traded my 2013 Toyota Avalon in after 2300 miles É [cob2]
May 09, 2013 (7:21 am)
My 10 LS460 sport gets 21 mpg combined. I get high 20's on freeways. Some depends on gas, 10% ethanol will lower mpg about 2%, thats all we have here. Of course hills and driving habits will affect mph. As for the car, some things i like better than my 05 LS, some not so much. The 10 has air suspension and I love it! But unless yours is a sport or L you will get the standard spring shock suspension. Over all it is a fine car however. Go for it.
#294 of 300 Re: Traded my 2013 Toyota Avalon in after 2300 miles É [cob2]
May 09, 2013 (7:42 am)
Auburn Maine to Daytona Beach Fl, and back - Avalon $300.00 - LS = $389.00.
While the Avalon is a great car, for $90.00 more in gas, not sure but I'd rather be driving an LS (with Air Suspension)?
PS Maybe I should consider an Air Suspension for the Avalon???
#295 of 300 Clacking Brake Noises
May 11, 2013 (12:42 pm)
Yes, I have read some things on the other thread but I am starting a new one in hopes it will be devoted to clicking/clacking brakes and nothing else. Thanks!
We have a 2008 LS460. When we bought it, it had around 9,000 miles on it. I soon noticed a loud clicking noise in the front end when we stopped. It was worse in reverse, but present in both directions. This is no small noise; it can be heard from ten feet away. It sounds like something has play in it and moves to hit a stationary object when the brakes are applied.
During hot weather, 100 +, it is much more pronounced than in cold weather, 30 or so. It is something that can be avoided by braking very, very slowly. Normal braking causes it.
We took the car to our local dealer about four times. We are told this is normal noise. We have owned a Toyota Avalon and two Lexus before this one and had no similar problem.
This is very annoying in light we paid $50,000 for the car. We own a Ford van that is much quieter.
I have read about changing actuators or something. Our dealership has never mentioned that to me. The impression I get is they want me to go away.
I would appreciate any information anyone may have.
#296 of 300 Re: Traded my 2013 Toyota Avalon in after 2300 miles É [aardman]
May 13, 2013 (9:38 am)
I consistently get 23 MPG in combined driving in my LS - more than my neighbor gets on his Avalon, so the mileage doesn't bother me at all. The extra money for Premium is compensated for by the amazing mileage from a V-8 with 380 HP. I don't always use it - but when I do, I make sure I'm next to a Prius so they can watch me hurting the environment. (Jeremy Clarkson, Top Gear).
The Avalon is my second choice, if I couldn't afford another LS, or ES. The GS, I really don't care for - never have. Even the new one just seems to be - well - saying, "gee, I could have had a V-8!".
#297 of 300 Re: Clacking Brake Noises [twocatsam]
May 13, 2013 (9:39 am)
I'm sorry, it's NOT normal! Ask to drive another LS at the dealer - bet you it doesn't do it. Bet you NONE of their LSes do it.
#298 of 300 Re: Traded my 2013 Toyota Avalon in after 2300 miles É [nvbanker]
May 14, 2013 (5:16 am)
My 2010 LS460 has 93K miles. Except for the first tankful of premium gas when I picked up the car from dealer, I have ALWAYS used regular (87). On the highway I get around 25 MPG and combined driving I'm around 22 MPG. I love the car, but I wish the 460 series would get even better mileage.
#299 of 300 Re: Clacking Brake Noises [twocatsam]
May 15, 2013 (7:56 pm)
I was reading this threat and came across this question. I was wondering if your LS460 is equipped with air suspension? This is an option on the LS460 L.
The reason I ask is because I noticed a similar noise on my 2008 460L . II occasionally get constant clicking of small moving parts or chain. It usually turns on and off for about 30 seconds when the car is turned on or stops at a red light.
If this is the case, then yes the dealer technician might be right as the manual indicates this is not a malfunction. It is simply the operating sound of the air suspension compressor. When the" high mode" is selected, the compressor sound is normal.
I was worried for a second myself, but now that I don't have the air suspension working I have not heard this noise.