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Re: First timer needs help [msyman] by kyfdx HOST
May 08, 2008 (4:58 am)
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Replying to: msyman (May 07, 2008 10:00 pm)

Check out this discussion: Importing Car into Canada from US
 
A lot of good information there... You buying the car, then selling it your brother is the easy part. His importation of the car is where it gets hard.
 
regards,
kyfdx
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Re: First timer needs help [topgun7] by msyman
May 08, 2008 (7:30 am)
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Replying to: topgun7 (May 08, 2008 4:54 am)

My brother has a customs broker who he uses for his business who will do all the paperwork at the border for $80, so that's not a problem. The Canadian Goods and Services taxes get paid when it crosses the border and again, the customs broker would look after that. Next, the Toyota/Lexus warranty is honored in Canada so that's not a problem either. I am more concerned with the mechanics of the buying process, namely, how and where I go about getting the best price for the vehicle and how I get it off the dealer's lot. Should I even bother shopping in the city where I live given that there is only one local Lexus dealer and another one hour away? Or should I buy the car in Florida as it would seem to be the most competitive market given the comments in this forum? Do I need to go down to Florida to shop or can I do everything by email and how do I begin? Finally, how do I get the car off the lot - do I get a temporary tag and drive it north or would it be better to have it shipped it to the NY/Canadian border to save the 1,000-1,500 miles? Thanks.
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Re: First timer needs help [msyman] by bmlexus
May 08, 2008 (10:18 am)
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Replying to: msyman (May 08, 2008 7:30 am)

- do I get a temporary tag and drive it north or would it be better to have it shipped it to the NY/Canadian border to save the 1,000-1,500 miles?
 
You should ask your brother does he need a new car with around 1500miles or more on it?
 
If its a gift to him from you then it wont bother him much but if he is buying you should ask him.
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Re: First timer needs help [msyman] by kyfdx HOST
May 08, 2008 (1:27 pm)
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Replying to: msyman (May 08, 2008 7:30 am)

1) I don't think you have to go to Florida to get a decent deal.. You may have to expand your horizons a couple of hundred miles, to introduce some competition, but IMO, Florida dealers aren't anything special. Not to mention, they are famous for adding undisclosed fees to the price ($599 doc fees?!).
 
2) As you noted, getting the car across the border is not much of a problem. Getting it modified to meet Canadian regulations, and documenting those modifications might be a much bigger issue (which is why I suggest checking out that other discussion).
 
3) As far as buying the car? Drop down to your local dealer and take a look at what they have. Once you know which options you are interested in, then you might send a few e-mails to the closest dealers, asking for quotes. You can even try some of those Florida dealerships. Once you have an idea of what seems like a fair price, stop back by your local dealer and make an offer. You might find that you'll come close enough ($500 +/-?) to make it worth buying locally.
 
4) I don't think you'll be able to get out of paying sales tax.. If you buy it out of state, it's possible that the dealer could ship it to you and give you a non-resident title without paying tax. Your brother would have to check with his customs broker, to see if you can just sign the title over to him.. If so, maybe you can avoid sales tax, but that seems unlikely.
 
Good luck!
kyfdx
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Re: First timer needs help [kyfdx] by ocautoseeker
May 09, 2008 (12:45 am)
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Replying to: kyfdx (May 08, 2008 1:27 pm)

Florida dealers aren't anything special. Not to mention, they are famous for adding undisclosed fees to the price ($599 doc fees?!).
 
Yup - they are ridiculous with their doc fees. I'm analyzing a deal for a prospective buyer who just happens to live in Florida - sure enough, the dealer's structure has a $599 doc fee listed. {shaking my head}
 
$599 to messenger some paperwork - I'll take that job! Haha...
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Summertime buy or lease LS460/SWB in NYC by bermanslaw
May 09, 2008 (9:00 am)
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I'm new to the forum concept but have already learned much from reading recent posts, so I'm hoping for some sound advice & guidance. I'm coming off a long lease on an MB CL500 (fabulous car) on July 1 and am seriously interested in the "08 LS460 SWB. I've never had a Lexus before. Having moved into Manhattan from the commuting suburbs, I expect my annual mileage to fall well below 10K, though a 7500K lease mileage option may be cutting things a bit close. If I purchase, I will finance. In either event , I never opt for down payments and will pay the sales tax up front. Here are my questions:
 
1. Manhattan/environs dealer or widen the search? Recent comments suggest that FL dealers are giving great deals while NYC dealers are still pretending the economy's flush, but the prospect of negotiating and taking delivery from afar seems daunting.
 
2. Wait til summer to make a deal or start now? I can do without a car if needs be til September, so I feel no urgency on that score. Waiting seems like a good bet, given the economy, slowing auto sales volume and rising gas prices, but if there's a gas tax holiday and an unexpected bump in volume, I could find myself with fewer choices as the '09 model year draws near.
 
3. Purchase or lease? Here, my inquiry relates to which offers the best bang for the buck at the moment in terms of promotions, interest factors, etc.
 
4. Either way, do I have any realistic chance of making a deal that will keep my monthly payment under $1K without making a down payment? I've read about those prepaid multiple security deposits and wonder whether that is a sensible tactic.
 
I will welcome your comments. Many thanks.
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Re: Summertime buy or lease LS460/SWB in NYC [bermanslaw] by topgun7
May 10, 2008 (2:55 pm)
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Replying to: bermanslaw (May 09, 2008 9:00 am)

"Either way, do I have any realistic chance of making a deal that will keep my monthly payment under $1K without making a down payment? I've read about those prepaid multiple security deposits and wonder whether that is a sensible tactic. "
 
I am in a similar boat. Our 05 CLK55 is going off lease on 7/3 and we test drove an LS460 and is pretty impressed about it.. based on last month money factor and residual in April, there is a shot of getting LS below 1000 month including sales tax for 3 yr 12K lease (in California, sales tax are paid monthly and calculated based on monthly payment) with Comfort and ML/NAV package. But you pretty much have to get the car very near invoice and pay 9 security deposit to reduce the money factor by 0.00072 (roughly 1.7%) from the 0.00225 (or roughly 5.4%) that LFS is charging. The wild card is whether the May progarm has any change (e.g. the residual value) and it is going to be pretty tough to get invoice in NYC since the competition in NYC is not nearly as good as California or FL...
 
http://mbworld.org/forums/showthread.php?t=229109
 
2008 Lexus LS460 – 4/12/08
24 Month – Residual 56% of MSRP – .00225 Base Rate
36 Month – Residual 50% of MSRP – .00225 Base Rate
48 Month – Residual 40% of MSRP – .00225 Base Rate
60 Month – Residual 31% of MSRP – .00225 Base Rate
 
Residuals posted are for 15K miles/year. Add 2% to Residual for 12k mi/yr and 3% for 10k mi/yr on all terms
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Re: Summertime buy or lease LS460/SWB in NYC [topgun7] by bermanslaw
May 11, 2008 (8:54 am)
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Replying to: topgun7 (May 10, 2008 2:55 pm)

Thanks, Topgun. Without doing the math, I should think that plunking down $9K plus or minus in the form of multiple security deposits will save me considerably more than I can earn on that sum over the lease term. I'm going to stop in and stick my toe in local waters to see what sort of initial deals are being offerred, and I'll follow up with this forum to share my experience.
 
Is there anyone else out there who has anything to say in reply to my original inquiry?
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Re: Summertime buy or lease LS460/SWB in NYC [bermanslaw] by sidgriggs
May 11, 2008 (10:19 am)
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Replying to: bermanslaw (May 11, 2008 8:54 am)

In reply to bermanslaws original post:
Lexus sales are off. My dealer (Texas) is loaded with cars and dealing. It is probably the same where you live. Lexus will do a 10,000 mile per year lease. If I were you, I would shop all the dealers within reasonable driving distance. I would start now, with plans to make my deal on May30 or 31. Base car min disc=6,000,
Nav car min disc=7,000; Nav, ML,++ car min disc=8,000. Lease with Lexus Financial, 10,000 mile s/b able to do for under $1,000 per month if you pay the sales tax, etc up front. They may even have tax credits this month.
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Re: First timer needs help [topgun7] by redsail
May 11, 2008 (9:45 pm)
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Replying to: topgun7 (May 08, 2008 4:54 am)

Go to this site and they have all the info for importing into Canada.
www.ucanimport.com

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