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gagrice... by iluvmysephia1
Nov 01, 2009 (12:55 am)
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what is the answer then for electric generation? Nuclear powered electrical generators? Like we have the money to build those though, right? Yeah, we're spoiled out here. I have a good paying job and my wife works at the same hospital. Both putting 401K money away in preparation for retirement. Going to Tucson is not that bad traffic-wise.
 
I must say the city of Tucson street planners have done a pretty good job designing their streets so that traffic moves continuously. Seattle traffic is horrible compared to a city of twice the people, Tucson.
 
I don't know of any other automobile propulsion method that will work any better than electrical, though hydrogen is an option with only water as a byproduct. But how to develop those other methods efficiently and cost-effectively is going to be a real problem.
 
We need to wean off of dino-oil, though. Seems Portland and San Francisco are in a war right now to build the best all-electrical car infrastructure. Portland's mayor is literally on fire with excitement for electric propulsion. Portland is always progressively thinking, they're going ga-ga over it.
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Re: gagrice... [iluvmysephia1] by gagrice
Nov 01, 2009 (5:48 am)
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Replying to: iluvmysephia1 (Nov 01, 2009 12:55 am)

I agree that EVs are a good way to go. Centralize the pollution from whatever form of electrical generation. I just remember 10 years ago when our Costco had two 440 Volt charging stations for the EV-1 from GM. I don't ever remember seeing one use them. They were very expensive systems that would charge up the batteries while you shop. The key is knowing what to gear up for. It would be easy to put in 110/220 volt CC operated stations for charging. The wait time is not short. The Tesla S will have a 440 V charging system when and if it arrives in 2011. Still not sure how many folks would sit in a gas station 45 minutes waiting for their car to charge. That would be a long time for me to shop at Costco.
 
My biggest concern is practicality. That always wins out in my search for a vehicle. I have it figured that CA and the Feds will bugger it up some way or another. They will not be denied their gas taxes without a fight. They want to look green without losing any green. The little guy always gets to sacrifice while the elite cruise in their yachts, Gulfstreams and limos.
 
PS
Seattle traffic may be worse than Los Angeles. Both cesspools of the urban age.
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Man Made Global Cooling by gagrice
Nov 01, 2009 (6:01 am)
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This one can be blamed on man for sure.
 
Beijing's first snow of season 'artificially induced'
 
BEIJING (AFP) - – Chinese meteorologists covered Beijing in snow Sunday after seeding clouds to bring winter weather to the capital in an effort to combat a lingering drought, state media reported.
 
The unusually early snow blanketed the capital from Sunday morning and kept falling for half the day, helped by temperatures as low as minus 2 Celsius (29 Fahrenheit) and strong winds from the north, Xinhua news agency reported.
 
Besides falling in the northeastern provinces of Liaoning and Jilin and the northern province of Hebei, the eastern port city of Tianjin also got its first snow of the autumn, the report said.
 
"We wont miss any opportunity of artificial precipitation since Beijing is suffering from the lingering drought," the report quoted Zhang Qiang, head of the Beijing Weather Modification Office, as saying.
 
Chinese meteorologists have for years sought to make rain by injecting special chemicals into clouds.
 
Although the technique often gets results, a drought in the north of the country has continued for over a decade.

 
http://ph.news.yahoo.com/afp/20091101/tap-china-weather-beijing-snow-8d4ea94.htm- l
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Going green no problem for the wealthy by gagrice
Nov 01, 2009 (6:35 am)
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Start with a $2 million dollar modest home in San Diego and start spending from there. Here is the best example I know of here in San Diego. Dr. Rob Wilder's solar home complete with Tesla Roadster. He also manages a fund that specializes in alternative energy companies. I wonder if he would be interested in buying several 1000 shares in failed alternative energy companies? My advice would be to keep his high paying job at UCSD.
 
http://www.teslamotors.com/blog5/?p=48
 
http://www.wildershares.com/pdf/Solar%20Power%20for%20a%20better%20Solution.pdf
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Re: Why GW is Losing Supporters [steve_] by oldfarmer50
Nov 01, 2009 (3:58 pm)
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Replying to: steve_ (Oct 29, 2009 4:47 pm)

"...'73?...The foundries were getting cleaned up even then, and you wouldn't recognize downtown and the river front today..."
 
Why steve, I didn't know you were an old codger like the rest of us. If you remember 1973 you must remember the late 60s and the beginning of the environmental movement. Back then there really was something to complain about.
 
Maybe that's the problem. Those of us who remember when cars didn't even have PCV valves and rivers would catch on fire know that the world has improved tremendously in the last 40 years. When you know that cars are 98% cleaner now you wonder why all the fuss about the last 2%. Especially when the last 2% will cost more to eliminate than the first 98%.
 
And then some clown like Al Gore comes along and tells us that the breath we exhale is a pollutant and we have to starve, freeze and go broke because of it.
 
It just seems a perversion of what I use to think was a good idea.
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Re: What... [iluvmysephia1] by oldfarmer50
Nov 01, 2009 (4:17 pm)
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Replying to: iluvmysephia1 (Oct 30, 2009 11:10 pm)

"... amount of cars in that city..."
 
WE have no central metro area where I live (3 closely located cities) so the best they have come up with is a "Park & Ride" system. They have parking lots at several exits of the freeway in the suburbs. You can drive the short distance to the lot and then board a bus which takes you into the city. Fewer car, less congestion. The buses are usually packed which I guess is good.
 
I would consider it but none of the routes runs near me and they all go in the wrong direction for my school bus job.
 
Still I like the idea and people who wish to drive have that choice. I know that the roads are not as full on my way to work,
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Re: Why GW is Losing Supporters [oldfarmer50] by steve_ HOST
Nov 01, 2009 (5:36 pm)
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Replying to: oldfarmer50 (Nov 01, 2009 3:58 pm)

Ah, the Cuyahoga River. Yeah, was just finishing high school around that time (the '69 fire, not the '52 one). Lot of milestones over the years - TMI, the Exxon Valdez, Bhopal, the last free flowing stretch of the Little TN river....
 
A lot has changed. But a lot hasn't. You probably haven't heard squat about this one, that's been going on since mid-August and just got worse:
 
Australia oil well catches fire (BBC)
 
"Engineers have been struggling for more than 10 weeks to stop the leak which is spewing out natural gas and oil at an estimated 400 barrels a day." The spill is up to 9.7 million gallons now (the Exxon Valdez dumped about 10.8 million gallons).
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Re: What... [oldfarmer50] by gagrice
Nov 01, 2009 (5:47 pm)
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Replying to: oldfarmer50 (Nov 01, 2009 4:17 pm)

"Park & Ride" system.
 
Oh the best place to pick the vehicle of your choice to steal. One of our large trolley lots is now the number one choice of car thieves. They have a patrol that seems to always be at the other end when a car gets stolen. It used to be theater lots were the ideal choice until the trolley system made it so easy. The perp rides the trolley till he sees a car he has a buyer for. Gets off at that stop. Pops a punch through the door to open and hot wires past the security system. And away he goes. Less than a minute and he is headed down the road in your car. If you want to be green and car pool or ride the transit. Use an old beater to get to the parking lot.
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Re: Why GW is Losing Supporters [steve_] by houdini1
Nov 01, 2009 (5:50 pm)
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Replying to: steve_ (Nov 01, 2009 5:36 pm)

No problem, we can easily offset that by just breathing slower.
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Would it help to suck on... by iluvmysephia1
Nov 01, 2009 (8:26 pm)
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menthol cough drops? And then breathe out? I mean with the Global Warming. Or would it be a false cooling effect and really just add to the onslaught of super-heated warming trends that are absolutely inundating us.
 
Kind of makes you want to jump in a naturally heated thermal pool outside somewhere, don't it? Isn't it a ball to falsely edumacate ourselves in the name of socialized automotive-related education?

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