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Are automobiles a major cause of global warming?

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Re: Why GW is Losing Supporters [kernick] by gagrice
Oct 29, 2009 (1:47 pm)
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Replying to: kernick (Oct 29, 2009 1:00 pm)

I'm with you. We are running about 15 degrees below normal. I would imagine Al Gore is sending his worshipers out with hair dryers to get the temps up to keep his momentum. Which has all but gotten covered by some of the earliest snow falls on record. We are likely headed for another Ice Age. So keep those SUVs and try to reverse the cooling trend. Probably too late to avoid the Big Freeze coming.
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Re: Why GW is Losing Supporters [larsb] by gagrice
Oct 29, 2009 (1:55 pm)
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Replying to: larsb (Oct 29, 2009 1:38 pm)

Oh, so it is just a storm when it goes in the face of global warming? When Katrina hit it was caused by GW because Bush did not sign Kyoto. And it was just a storm. A record cold summer and now a record cold fall has got to be figured into the picture. Or do the GW'ers just take those figures out of the equation?
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Re: Why GW is Losing Supporters [gagrice] by steve_ HOST
Oct 29, 2009 (2:25 pm)
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Replying to: gagrice (Oct 29, 2009 1:47 pm)

We are running about 15 degrees below normal.
 
I thought it was 85 there? I was just packing the car....
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Re: Why GW is Losing Supporters [gagrice] by larsb
Oct 29, 2009 (2:44 pm)
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Replying to: gagrice (Oct 29, 2009 1:55 pm)

No, it's "just a storm" when it's....wait for it...."JUST A STORM."
 
Like I have stated before on this forum: neither every little COLD SNAP nor every little HEAT WAVE has anything AT ALL to do with Global Warming/Climate Change/Whatever The Current Nomenclature Is.
 
Regardless of whether we EVER determine man's impact on global climate, these things are true:
 
1. Storms, unusually hot and/or cold ones, will ALWAYS pop up at odd times.
2. Every heat wave is not proof of anything.
3. Every cold snap is not proof of anything.
4. Every Category 5 hurricane is not IN ITSELF proof of anything.
5. Every time BumFrick, Idaho, has a few day of below- or above-average temps, THAT in itself is proof of nothing.
 
People who come on this board and are fond of posting "Record Low Temps in BLAH BLAH BLAH" and expecting that to score a point with anyone with a brain need to reconsider that tactic. It's old, worn-out, and NOT APPLICABLE.
 
I usually post stories about hotter-than-normal temps in an area (weather, not climate) when someone posts about a colder-than-normal temp event, just to balance out the forum.
 
Neither of us is making a valid point regarding Man-Made Climate Change when we do that.
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Re: Why GW is Losing Supporters [steve_] by gagrice
Oct 29, 2009 (3:41 pm)
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Replying to: steve_ (Oct 29, 2009 2:25 pm)

By the time you get here it will be back to our normal 80 degrees. And nothing man does will change it. Only the arrogance of man can believe we have anything to do with the weather or the climate.
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Re: Why GW is Losing Supporters [gagrice] by steve_ HOST
Oct 29, 2009 (4:17 pm)
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Replying to: gagrice (Oct 29, 2009 3:41 pm)

Not exactly. This wasn't all that long ago:
 
The Great Smog of London (BBC)
 
In weather news, Daily High Temperature Tied Atop Grandfather Mountain (goblueridge.net). And it's still "markedly warmer" in North Florida.
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Re: Why GW is Losing Supporters [steve_] by gagrice
Oct 29, 2009 (4:39 pm)
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Replying to: steve_ (Oct 29, 2009 4:17 pm)

Throwing coal in a furnace with no scrubbing is bad news. It has no place in urban areas. Any kind of large fossil fuel burning equipment in dense population will cause a negative impact. The alternative for those in London at the time was freezing to death. Quick death or prolonged death, take your pick, When I went to school near Chattanooga in 1973 I could not believe the black smoke and filthy buildings. It was all new to me coming from CA and AK. Building a coal fired generator out in the middle of Utah, Arizona or Nevada with reasonable scrubbers is still the most economical electric generation. Cap n Trade will make them more expensive and possibly shut them down.
 
If the price of electricity and oil continues to rise I would expect more people to heat with wood and or coal. Pick your poison. I have gotten used to clean air since leaving Anchorage and all the wood smoke. I don't want to have the government push us back into the dark ages with their ignorance.
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Re: Why GW is Losing Supporters [gagrice] by steve_ HOST
Oct 29, 2009 (4:47 pm)
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Replying to: gagrice (Oct 29, 2009 4:39 pm)

'73? That's when I moved to Chattanooga. The foundries were getting cleaned up even then, and you wouldn't recognize downtown and the river front today.
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Re: Why GW is Losing Supporters [steve_] by gagrice
Oct 29, 2009 (4:52 pm)
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Replying to: steve_ (Oct 29, 2009 4:47 pm)

I spent 7 weeks in Atlanta going to a Western Union school. I went up to buy antiques in Chattanooga several times. They did have some great Antique warehouses there. Shipped a truck load back to Anchorage and sold them. Just seemed like what I would picture London black and gloomy.
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Re: Why GW is Losing Supporters [larsb] by houdini1
Oct 29, 2009 (5:33 pm)
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Replying to: larsb (Oct 29, 2009 2:44 pm)

Well shoot, if there is no relationship between global warming and weather, what is all the fuss about? Let's talk about baseball or something.

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