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Automotive News & Views Are automobiles a major cause of global warming?
6844 messages, Last post on Nov 26, 2009 at 8:00 PM
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Replying to: avalon02wh (Jul 18, 2009 1:19 pm) Does not have to be a conspiracy. You get a few influential people (Al Gore) jetting around the World giving speeches with wild unsubstantiated claims and you get a following of believers. Gloom and doom sells better than truth more than not. If Al Gore went and said how much cleaner the rivers are now than 50 years ago or the air in Los Angeles is so much cleaner since they banned leaded gas, who would listen? People want to hear sensational stories. How's the weather in ND this summer? I see the Northern tier is setting low temp records this summer. |
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Replying to: gagrice (Jul 18, 2009 1:42 pm)  Test drove a 2101 Prius this morning. The style doesn't do much for me and the ground clearance is a concern, but it drove nice. Very comfortable car. I'm not sure how good my mpg would be this time of year with the AC on full blast (high 90's today). Different kind of bike, but an electric-scooter company just went banko (Vectrix). Tough climate for early adopters right now methinks. (Green Car Advisor) |
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Replying to: steve_ (Jul 18, 2009 1:59 pm) Hmmm...It probably ran on CO2 and had anti gravity !! 
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Replying to: gagrice (Jul 18, 2009 1:42 pm) 
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Replying to: gagrice (Jul 17, 2009 1:38 pm) - Ron Ness, president of the North Dakota Petroleum council, putting the potential for the Three Forks Formation into perspective. http://www.bismarcktribune.com/articles/2009/07/18/news/opinion/editorials/19007- 3.txt An interesting comment. As the oil field activity picks up the Bakken will be developed first. It comes down to economics and risk. Oil companies have gained a lot of experience with the Bakken in the last few years. I have sat in on a couple presentations on the Bakken. Very interesting stuff. Probably the most interesting story I heard was how one person ordered the water a little early for a frac job. Fracs can take upwards of a million gallons of water. This was in January. Imagine trying to keep 23 - 50,000 gallon tanks of water from freezing for a couple of days (-20 below) followed by heating up the water to 180 degrees before they pump it down the hole. $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ Good thing to that propane is a global warming friendly fuel.
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Replying to: oldfarmer50 (Jul 18, 2009 12:50 pm) Wow, that is a great rule. The thought of a New Yorker hurtling down the road at 20 mph on an electric bike is too much to bear. Millions of lives have been saved .... as opposed to saving a few polar bears. 
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Replying to: gagrice (Jul 18, 2009 5:35 am) I do understand that. My point about the five years is that overall we will have extended things by five years. As an example, instead of us running out in 50 years we will get 55 years. Your comment about Prudhoe Bay is interesting because it highlights that we have seen a big improvement in drilling technology since 1977. That has allowed the field life to be extend. Modern estimates take into account this technology. We should still see some increases in recovery rates, but, it is unlikely the increases as a percent will be as great as was the case from 77 to 09. Also keep in mind that the ability to accurately estimate a field has increased in the time since 1977. "Your first graph does not take into consideration the fact that we have gone down by 3% over the last year. That would put an entirely different slant on that fictitious graph. " It is not a fictitious graph. It comes from very real data. If you have some different numbers post them. The graph clearly shows how consumption has, overall, been rising for about two decades. How long would it take for us to close the gap at 3% decrease in consumption each year? The answer would be decades all the while trying to keep the production steady. Let me ask you another question. Has the U.S. ever produced more than about 10 MBD? The answer is NO. But, you and others seem to think we can drill our way out of this despite the fact that we have never been able to produce 10+ MBD even when we had the easy oil in Tx, Ok, Pa and other states. http://tonto.eia.doe.gov/dnav/pet/hist/mcrfpus1m.htm So how do we bridge the gap between our current production (5.3 mbd) and our current consumption of 20+ mbd? ANWR might give us 0.75 mbd in 15 years. Where will the extra 15 mbd come from? What fields?
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Replying to: steve_ (Jul 18, 2009 1:59 pm) A 2101 model, wow, is that the one with the nuclear reactor for a power source? Does it fly??? Popular Science has been going on about flying cars for the last 50 years or so. Will we actually see one at the turn of the next century? Sorry, I couldn't resist.  I always hate it when I find one of my typos after the editing period is up.
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Replying to: avalon02wh (Jul 18, 2009 5:59 pm) Crap, now McFly's knocking on my door wanting his car keys back...and the idiot keeps insisting that Jerry Lewis is the VP. On another note, my Zojirushi rice cooker makes the same sound when the rice is done as the beeps when you put the Prius in reverse. Seriously!
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