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Replying to: steve_ (Jul 13, 2009 12:27 pm) Same goes for all these CC ideas. In the USA they will be attacking the tax payers standard of living and I don't think they will keep voting someone in that wants to take away their cars and comfortable homes. If people think their civil liberties are trounced on by the Patriot Act, they are in for one rude awakening if Cap N Trade gets a foot hold. We are already seeing the effects of CA mandates on power. Higher utility bills with mandatory cut backs in usage. Usage over 354 KWH per month are doubled then over 460 KWH per month are quadrupled in price. According to the SDG&E bill I am holding in my hand, I am using 40.4% less this year than last. That is only because it is so much cooler this year than last. Yet the CC Wonks won't accept they are full of you know what with their hockey stick data. I know what I would do with that hockey stick if I had Al Gore here. |
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"Most people don't appreciate that the computer on your desk is contributing to global warming and that if its electricity comes from a coal power plant it produces as much C02 as a sports utility vehicle," said Bill St. Arnaud of Canarie, a Canada-based internet development organization. "Some studies estimate the internet will be producing 20 percent of the world's greenhouse gases in a decade. That is clearly the wrong direction. That is clearly unsustainable," added St. Arnaud. http://edition.cnn.com/2009/TECH/science/07/10/green.internet.CO2/index.html Let me get this straight. It would be less polluting for me to be cruising around the back country in my SUV than sitting here blogging on this computer? I love when one of these egghead types tell us what is "unsustainable". Well who gives up their computer first? Or do we go door to door pulling people out of their homes and caning them as an example to the rest? When will these CC cult types come to the realization that people emit CO2 in everything they do. Unless they want mass genocide it is going to increase more and more and more. If you believe the hype. Move to higher ground. Here is a question. How many trees do we save by getting our news from the Internet vs the newspaper? Which produces more GHG processing paper and printing or reading from a computer screen? |
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Replying to: gagrice (Jul 12, 2009 7:16 pm) http://www.wnd.com/ Have you actually gone to there web site? The headlines are the most mind boggling dribble I have ever seen. You don't want to talk about global warming. You want to talk ideology. Global Warming is real. Humans are making their mark. What is the percent impact, 25%, 50%, 75%???? The percent is important because it will help us determine how much money we spend on reducing things like CO2 emissions or how much we use to deal with the impacts of climate change like drought, heat and ocean level increases. I do not see all the countries coming together on this issue unless there is a disaster. Peak resources or the inability to supply enough primary energy to everyone will likely hit us sooner then some of the worst climate change impacts. When the far left looks at us in the middle they lump us with the right. When the far right looks at us they lump us with the left. Both groups should be kicked out of the sandbox. 
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Replying to: avalon02wh (Jul 13, 2009 6:51 pm) Humans are making their mark. What is the percent impact, 25%, 50%, 75%???? The percent is important because it will help us determine how much money we spend on reducing things like CO2 emissions or how much we use to deal with the impacts of climate change like drought, heat and ocean level increases. What is your point? Now the Internet is going to double our GHG emissions in a decade. Since the beginning of man, we have coped with the problems as they hit us. Why all of a sudden do we need to cope with a theoretical problem that is maybe 100 years from now or maybe never. It is a scam and you my friend have bought into it. Build on a rock high above the masses. That is what I have done. Look out for your self. You are never going to convince 7 billion people to give up what they have worked all their lives to attain. And that is exactly what CnT is all about. Taking from the middle class and giving to the elite that run this global economy. Can't take from the poor they have already beat them down to nothing. PS So you are saying those 31,000 scientific voices are all paid dissenters? I don't buy it. You are trying to claim that the group of scientists that you are part of are more honest than the 9000+ PHDs that do not buy into the MM/CC scam.
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It seems that the CC consensus is crumbling before our eyes. The bullies in the cult are being forced to debate the science and falling short on facts to back up their outlandish claims of gloom and doom. "Last weekend we could understand better why Wong [Australian Senator Penny Wong, Minister for Climate Change and Water] is no longer keen on data on surface and atmospheric warming. NASA's Aqua satellite - one of the four main measurements of world temperature - found June had dropped back to just .001 degrees above the average for the past 30 years." Read the whole piece.  http://www.climatescienceinternational.org/
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MEDIA RELEASE - INDIA JUSTIFIED TO IGNORE CLIMATE ALARMISM India right to put development ahead of appeasing climate activists, says scientist Important Elements of India’s Climate Change Plan Wins Support from Canada The recently announced National Action Plan for Climate Change indicates a new sign of independence among Indian political class to recognise domestic energy priorities over international hysteria on climate change. With the approach of India’s Independence Day, this view has been expressed by expatriate Indian climate scientist, Dr. Madhav L. Khandekar, now living near Toronto, Canada. Read whole release as it appeared in India. South African scientist, Dr. Kelvin Kemm, writes in South Africa's Engineering News:"This Indian report was music to my ears. I have constantly said that developing countries cannot afford to let their school children do homework at night by candle light rather than by electric light, in an effort to save on electricity production, on the basis of the flimsy evidence presented in favour of man-induced climate change." Read Dr. Kemm's whole piece. Dr. Kemm has an MSc and PhD (Nuclear Physics) and is a Business Strategy Consultant and Nuclear Power policy developer and CEO, Stratek Business Strategy Consultants, Pretoria, South Africa. New Zealand not convinced by flawed science as well. CLIMATE CHANGE: AUSSIE SENATOR STEVE FIELDING SAYS AL GORE IS WRONG Posted 14 July 2009 "THIS is the chart climate change sceptic Family First Senator Steve Fielding hopes will convince environmental campaigner Al Gore that global warming is not real.Senator Fielding is trying to score a one-on-one meeting with Mr Gore, who is in Australia promoting several environmental causes, to prove to him that climate change sceptics are right. http://nzclimatescience.net/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=493&Itemid- =1
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Replying to: gagrice (Jul 14, 2009 5:36 am)   (they should turn them into environmental tourist traps. ( "ECO TOUR", no pun intended)
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Replying to: gagrice (Jul 14, 2009 5:46 am) The nearest auto comparison I can make is getting a felony ticket for going 25 mph when light speed is 186,000 miles per sec. For those that need an apples to apples comparison that is 25 mph vs 671,000,000 miles per hour.
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Replying to: ruking1 (Jul 14, 2009 6:24 am) |
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Replying to: gagrice (Jul 13, 2009 7:15 pm) That is certainly one approach - wait to see what happens and deal with it as it arrives. Personally, I would prefer we understand the issue first. We may want the option to try to mitigate some of the impacts. "Why all of a sudden do we need to cope with a theoretical problem that is maybe 100 years from now or maybe never." If you notice from my previous posts I am not advocating too many solutions at this point. The actions I would like to see are rather low key and very long term (decades). I do not advocate shutting down coal power plants, nor do I recommend any quick changes to the auto fleet. I am actually encouraged by the options we now have and will have in the transportation sector (hybrids, diesels, electric cars, powerful yet fuel efficient 4 cylinder cars...). I am also encouraged by other developments like this: http://www.psc.state.nd.us/consinfo/GraphicsJuly2008/WindGraphicFinal7-15-08.pdf- You do realize that by calling climate change a theory you are admitting it is a fact - just like the theory of gravity.  http://www.bringyou.to/apologetics/p67.htm
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