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Replying to: steve_ (Jul 12, 2009 9:30 am) Forgive me if I am skeptical of all these findings. HFCs are hundreds to thousands of times more potent warming agents than carbon dioxide, the largest contributor to global warming. So leave my SUV alone and take my refrigerator. What kind of GHG is emitted from rotting food that should be refrigerated? Last week it was Lamb chops this week the refrigerator that keeps them fresh until eaten. Funny how all these CC conferences are in places like Geneva in Summer and Bali in winter. Is this a coincidence or is it just another waste of tax payers dollars? |
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Replying to: houdini1 (Jul 12, 2009 12:37 pm) Nah, wouldn't work. I can't lie and keep a straight face. 
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Replying to: oldfarmer50 (Jul 12, 2009 10:52 am) I'm sure the people in the other 190 plus countries are saying the same thing. "I expect that the people I elect to help BETTER my life not DETRACT from it." That is a strange way of looking at things. You actually expect politicians to create wealth or happiness??? "If you are so full of love for the rest of the world that you want to give them all your wealth, good for you." It has nothing to do with love for the rest of the world. It has everything to do with the reality of an emerging middle class around the world. You might say there are too many animals at the watering hole. We have been giving money to China, KSA, Mexico and other countries for their products and oil for a long time now - nothing new there. "Give your money away to the world socialist movement and take a vow of poverty. But don't try to drag us down with you." The Europeans seem to do well with their more socialist forms of government. Survey after survey ranks them happier than the USA. Our form of government and economic system worked well when resources where plentiful and their was room to expand. That is no longer the case. People will need to adapt to the new reality. The climate bill will start us on the road to better efficiency. This is something we will need to address as the biggest upset coming in the near future will be peak oil, not climate change.
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http://pewresearch.org/pubs/1276/science-survey Think the earth is getting warmer due to human activity? Public 49% Scientists 84% Why the difference? I suspect part of it has to do with scientists understanding the issue better. It is also likely that many in the general public and even some scientists have a belief system that prevents them from understanding or considering the information they are receiving.
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Replying to: avalon02wh (Jul 12, 2009 6:14 pm) I suspect there is no money in the opposite side of the issue. Consider this: IF global warming is REALLY due to the over production of C02, THEN there is little to no SCIENTIFIC research to use C02 as a fuel or energy source or ways to harness it. Further, if it is true, why do we brew wine and spirits (copious release of...C02), etc., etc., etc.. ? If it is as "toxic" as they say: why is C02 STILL being put into SODA !!!!! Why are the floodgates of say bio diesel from algae, (carbon NEUTRAL) not getting the full court press of tax deductions, subsidy, tax credits etc. There is not one SINGLE engine that is certified for bio diesel to past B5 to B100. Considering the blood sweat and tears it took for "the round earth" concept to leak out AND more importantly the TIME it took to get folks out of "the world is flat mind set"; I see the current GW ing effort as a return TO "the world is flat mindset" and with its former consequences to those who DARE to even hint at an alternate view. |
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Replying to: avalon02wh (Jul 12, 2009 6:14 pm) Much simpler explanation. It is where the pay check comes from. And then only a handful of highly paid scientists really push the bunk about man made GW/CC. The data is just not there. And the cooling trend across the globe is the best evidence that increased CO2 has little or no effect. I'm on the side of the majority of scientists that don't believe Al Gore and his money grabbing cronies with their agenda of One World government. just google: 31000 scientists against global warming Thousands of scientists sign petition against global warming by Charles Biggs It’s about time that liberals like Al Gore come up with a new crisis. Global warming (climate change) is running out of steam. Bob Unruh of WorldNetDaily reported that 31,000 U.S. scientists - 9,000 with doctorate degrees in atmospheric science, climatology, Earth science, environment and other specialties - have signed a petition rejecting global warming. The list of scientists includes 9,021 Ph.D.s, 6,961 at the master’s level, 2,240 medical doctors and 12,850 carrying a bachelor of science or equivalent academic degree. Global warming assumes that human production of greenhouse gases is destroying the Earth’s climate. According to the petition, “There is no convincing scientific evidence that human release of carbon dioxide, methane, or other greenhouse gases is causing, or will in the foreseeable future, cause catastrophic heating of the Earth’s atmosphere and disruption of the Earth’s climate. “Moreover, there is substantial scientific evidence that increases in atmospheric carbon dioxide produce many beneficial effects upon the natural plant and animal environments of the Earth.” http://www.tulsabeacon.com/?p=462 The Petition Project www.petitionproject.org has been underway for 10 years. It’s a gradual movement but it was spurred on by the release of Gore’s “documentary” An Inconvenient Truth. Gore’s movie claims there is a “consensus” and “settled science” about human-caused global warming. It was particularly unsettling because teachers all across the country showed the movie to students to indoctrinate them in global warming. “Unfortunately, Mr. Gore’s movie contains many very serious incorrect claims which no informed, honest scientist could endorse,” said project spokesman and founder Art Robinson. Robinson said Gore’s folly has gone so far that it is damaging people’s lives. “The campaign to severely ration hydrocarbon energy technology has now been markedly expanded,” he said. “In the course of this campaign, many scientifically invalid claims about impending climate emergencies are being made. Simultaneously, proposed political actions to severely reduce hydrocarbon use now threaten the prosperity of Americans and the very existence of hundreds of millions of people in poorer countries,” Robinson said. Is this politics versus science? Yes. Which is more dangerous, Gore’s false claims or the policies that spring from his deception? Liberals blame global warming for recent shark attacks off the shore of California, typhoons, earthquakes and just about any natural disaster. And the effort is aimed at the pocketbook of every American. Our federal government is close to an international agreement that would ration our use of energy. The targets are coal, oil, natural gas and other organic compounds.
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Replying to: avalon02wh (Jul 11, 2009 1:29 pm) It will not affect people, that are allowed to have a carbon footprint as large as they like. With a Global Government, we will be brought down to the living standard of those in Africa, India and China. |
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Replying to: avalon02wh (Jul 12, 2009 5:56 pm) Heck no. Nor would I expect them to properly manage the extra money that Cap and Trade brings in. It would be squandered much the same as your regular taxes are now. The only thing I expect from politicians is that they get out of my way so that I can create wealth and happiness. "...You might say there are too many animals at the watering hole..." Good analogy. What happens to an animal at that watering hole that steps aside and lets the others drink? She dies of thirst and so do her offspring. Nature and nations are alike. The world is not a Disney film even if we wish it was.
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Replying to: gagrice (Jul 12, 2009 5:16 am) "The Black Helicopters are coming !!!!" "Global governance" of pollution is a GOOD idea, not a bad one. Getting all the countries to reduce their pollution and waste can NEVER be painted as a bad thing. No one is talking about "global governance" as in "one WORLD government which controls all the countries in every facet" - that is idiotic and impossible and not anything anyone needs to waste time worrying about, much less waste server space on Edmunds talking about.
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Replying to: larsb (Jul 13, 2009 9:11 am) "We shall have World Government, whether or not we like it. The only question is whether World Government will be achieved by conquest or consent." Criminal heir James Warburg, while speaking before the United States Senate, February 17, 1950
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