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Replying to: avalon02wh (Jul 12, 2009 6:59 am) Entitlement? I certainly believe that we are all individually entitled to the things we work hard for and earn. Usually folks who disagree with this are either very poor or very rich and have no concept of how to apply themselves for their betterment. Giving people a fish never works for long if they are hungry. They have to develop the incentive to want to learn how to fish....and then just do it. |
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Replying to: gagrice (Jul 12, 2009 7:15 am) I guess I wasn't surprised, but the ex-Pres. also purchased a typical mansion just before leaving office. Around Dallas iirc. His ranch house is cool. Blurbs from the climate bill the House sent to the Senate: "It also requires the EPA to prepare a report on the emissions benefits of using natural gas as an automotive fuel and to come up with recommendations for maximizing benefits from use of natural gas fuel. The environmental agency also would be required to establish rules for a national transportation-related greenhouse gas emissions reduction plan; regulations for cutting "black carbon" emissions - diesel particulates, or soot, is one type of black carbon; and rules for cutting use of hydroflurocarbons (HFCs) including those used in automotive air conditioning systems." Senate Takes Up Climate Bill in September, Will Have Big Impact on Autos (Green Car Advisor) HFCs sound like they could be the next big deal. DuPont study says HFC emissions could erase progress (Ittefaq)
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Replying to: avalon02wh (Jul 12, 2009 6:59 am) Damn right I do, and more if we can get it. I expect that the people I elect to help BETTER my life not DETRACT from it. If you are so full of love for the rest of the world that you want to give them all your wealth, good for you. Give your money away to the world socialist movement and take a vow of poverty. But don't try to drag us down with you. 
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Replying to: oldfarmer50 (Jul 12, 2009 10:52 am) Indeed one can designate IRS/FTB/County/Regional/Local/ tax payments over and above one's "FAIR" share !!! Evidently they are stepping up the marketing efforts for those that advocate this are NOT doing it !!!   Not only that, payment/s is/are oxymoronically...TAX FREE !!!!
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Replying to: ruking1 (Jul 12, 2009 11:36 am) Old Farmer, if you ever run for office let me know so I can vote for you.
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Replying to: houdini1 (Jul 12, 2009 12:37 pm) However, (even as I have probably bored a lot of folks to death on percentages of the vehicle population) it is very possible to pay an "immeasurable" % of taxation. What does/can affect/effect new CAR sales are (MASSIVE) direct sales tax of 9.25%, and in a bordering county, 9.75%. It dis incentivises (a depression era level of) new car sales. |
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Replying to: steve_ (Jul 12, 2009 9:30 am) Forgive me if I am skeptical of all these findings. HFCs are hundreds to thousands of times more potent warming agents than carbon dioxide, the largest contributor to global warming. So leave my SUV alone and take my refrigerator. What kind of GHG is emitted from rotting food that should be refrigerated? Last week it was Lamb chops this week the refrigerator that keeps them fresh until eaten. Funny how all these CC conferences are in places like Geneva in Summer and Bali in winter. Is this a coincidence or is it just another waste of tax payers dollars? |
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Replying to: houdini1 (Jul 12, 2009 12:37 pm) Nah, wouldn't work. I can't lie and keep a straight face. 
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Replying to: oldfarmer50 (Jul 12, 2009 10:52 am) I'm sure the people in the other 190 plus countries are saying the same thing. "I expect that the people I elect to help BETTER my life not DETRACT from it." That is a strange way of looking at things. You actually expect politicians to create wealth or happiness??? "If you are so full of love for the rest of the world that you want to give them all your wealth, good for you." It has nothing to do with love for the rest of the world. It has everything to do with the reality of an emerging middle class around the world. You might say there are too many animals at the watering hole. We have been giving money to China, KSA, Mexico and other countries for their products and oil for a long time now - nothing new there. "Give your money away to the world socialist movement and take a vow of poverty. But don't try to drag us down with you." The Europeans seem to do well with their more socialist forms of government. Survey after survey ranks them happier than the USA. Our form of government and economic system worked well when resources where plentiful and their was room to expand. That is no longer the case. People will need to adapt to the new reality. The climate bill will start us on the road to better efficiency. This is something we will need to address as the biggest upset coming in the near future will be peak oil, not climate change.
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http://pewresearch.org/pubs/1276/science-survey Think the earth is getting warmer due to human activity? Public 49% Scientists 84% Why the difference? I suspect part of it has to do with scientists understanding the issue better. It is also likely that many in the general public and even some scientists have a belief system that prevents them from understanding or considering the information they are receiving.
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