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Automotive News & Views Are automobiles a major cause of global warming?
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Replying to: gagrice (Jul 12, 2009 5:16 am) |
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Replying to: gagrice (Jul 12, 2009 5:16 am) That has been going on for some time now. Do you really expect the U.S. to be able to keep on using 20-25% of the world's energy with only five percent of the population? Nate over at the oildrum had an interesting comment on that: "Among many differences I notice when comparing American attitudes/behavior to those of people from other countries when I travel, one predominates: that of entitlement. While scanning a crowd at a train station or airport or restaurant or public event abroad, one can oftentimes notice just by attitude alone who hails from USA." http://campfire.theoildrum.com/node/5546#more It is also interesting how business CEOs have been giving themself huge pay raises at the expense of the American worker. Notice also how quickly they moved manufacturing offshore. None of that has anything to do with a climate bill or Al Gore. "It will not affect people like Al Gore that are allowed to have a carbon footprint as large as they like." And why do you ignore all the Republican fat cats in your discussion? And let me add, it is really sad when people associate standard of living with how much money you have or how big your car is... The climate bill will force people to start to address the issue of energy efficiency that have been dragging their feet. Is it perfect, no, but it is a start.
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Replying to: avalon02wh (Jul 12, 2009 6:59 am) They are not preaching against a large carbon footprint while using way more than the average citizen. Do as I say, not as I do is very common among the Liberal Elite. If I am not mistaken, GW Bush has a much smaller carbon footprint than Al Gore. In fact he may be absorbing more CO2 on his ranch than he emits. A big share of the offshore loss of jobs is due to heavy corporate taxes, repressive unions and impossible environmental regulations. I personally would have a lot smaller vehicle carbon footprint if not for regulations. My modest 3000 sq ft home is very energy efficient. I have not used the AC more than 8 hours this year. Part of that is a result of Global Cooling. We have averaged about 6 degrees below normal this Spring & Summer in So CA. notice just by attitude alone who hails from USA." I have witnessed that in Mexico many times. I call it the Sports fan mentality. Yes we put out an ugly face to the rest of the World. We also flaunt our wealth. It is no wonder the rest of the World want to share our standard of living. I doubt many of the masses want to see US come down to their standard. Only the elites that want to protect their standard of living at the expense of yours and mine. You have bought into whole Cap n Trade, and I can guarantee if the Senate does not shelve it, we are in deep doo doo.
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Replying to: avalon02wh (Jul 12, 2009 6:59 am) Entitlement? I certainly believe that we are all individually entitled to the things we work hard for and earn. Usually folks who disagree with this are either very poor or very rich and have no concept of how to apply themselves for their betterment. Giving people a fish never works for long if they are hungry. They have to develop the incentive to want to learn how to fish....and then just do it. |
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Replying to: gagrice (Jul 12, 2009 7:15 am) I guess I wasn't surprised, but the ex-Pres. also purchased a typical mansion just before leaving office. Around Dallas iirc. His ranch house is cool. Blurbs from the climate bill the House sent to the Senate: "It also requires the EPA to prepare a report on the emissions benefits of using natural gas as an automotive fuel and to come up with recommendations for maximizing benefits from use of natural gas fuel. The environmental agency also would be required to establish rules for a national transportation-related greenhouse gas emissions reduction plan; regulations for cutting "black carbon" emissions - diesel particulates, or soot, is one type of black carbon; and rules for cutting use of hydroflurocarbons (HFCs) including those used in automotive air conditioning systems." Senate Takes Up Climate Bill in September, Will Have Big Impact on Autos (Green Car Advisor) HFCs sound like they could be the next big deal. DuPont study says HFC emissions could erase progress (Ittefaq)
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Replying to: avalon02wh (Jul 12, 2009 6:59 am) Damn right I do, and more if we can get it. I expect that the people I elect to help BETTER my life not DETRACT from it. If you are so full of love for the rest of the world that you want to give them all your wealth, good for you. Give your money away to the world socialist movement and take a vow of poverty. But don't try to drag us down with you. 
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Replying to: oldfarmer50 (Jul 12, 2009 10:52 am) Indeed one can designate IRS/FTB/County/Regional/Local/ tax payments over and above one's "FAIR" share !!! Evidently they are stepping up the marketing efforts for those that advocate this are NOT doing it !!!   Not only that, payment/s is/are oxymoronically...TAX FREE !!!!
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Replying to: ruking1 (Jul 12, 2009 11:36 am) Old Farmer, if you ever run for office let me know so I can vote for you.
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Replying to: houdini1 (Jul 12, 2009 12:37 pm) However, (even as I have probably bored a lot of folks to death on percentages of the vehicle population) it is very possible to pay an "immeasurable" % of taxation. What does/can affect/effect new CAR sales are (MASSIVE) direct sales tax of 9.25%, and in a bordering county, 9.75%. It dis incentivises (a depression era level of) new car sales. |
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Replying to: steve_ (Jul 12, 2009 9:30 am) Forgive me if I am skeptical of all these findings. HFCs are hundreds to thousands of times more potent warming agents than carbon dioxide, the largest contributor to global warming. So leave my SUV alone and take my refrigerator. What kind of GHG is emitted from rotting food that should be refrigerated? Last week it was Lamb chops this week the refrigerator that keeps them fresh until eaten. Funny how all these CC conferences are in places like Geneva in Summer and Bali in winter. Is this a coincidence or is it just another waste of tax payers dollars? |
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