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Replying to: gagrice (Jul 11, 2009 5:38 am) FYI - I doubt we will have 1,000 years supply. Currently Lake Powell is being filled at the expense of Lake Mead. By content, Lake Powell is 66.86% of Full Pool (24,322,000 af) By content, Lake Mead is 42.74% of Full Pool (25,877,000 af) http://graphs.water-data.com/lakepowell/ http://graphs.water-data.com/lakemead/ And speaking of draining things: "The eastern lobe of the disaster-struck Aral Sea seems to have shrunk by four-fifths in just three years, the European Space Agency (ESA) said on Friday." http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20090710/sc_afp/environmentdisasteraral;_ylt=AtFnFa0- Rb6kFPtfMxvYJTs1pl88F Another example of how man is impacting the earth.
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Replying to: avalon02wh (Jul 11, 2009 1:29 pm) |
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Replying to: gagrice (Jul 11, 2009 1:04 pm) It's a good water year, but we've about quit paddling. Just sold a solo canoe 2 weeks ago and have the tandem on the market now. Paring down the fleet. I did see a Prius an hour ago with a roof rack on it so that's encouraging. |
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Former Vice President Al Gore declared that the Congressional climate bill will help bring about “global governance.” “I bring you good news from the U.S., “Gore said on July 7, 2009 in Oxford at the Smith School World Forum on Enterprise and the Environment, sponsored by UK Times. “Just two weeks ago, the House of Representatives passed the Waxman-Markey climate bill,” Gore said, noting it was “very much a step in the right direction.” What this means to the average US citizen is lowering our standard of living. It will not affect people like Al Gore that are allowed to have a carbon footprint as large as they like. With a Global Government, we will be brought down to the living standard of those in Africa, India and China. Climate Change is the vehicle that will be used to globalize the World even further. It has been a while coming. Gore's call for “global governance” echoes former French President Jacques Chirac's call in 2000. On November 20, 2000, then French President Chirac said during a speech at The Hague that the UN's Kyoto Protocol represented "the first component of an authentic global governance." Former EU Environment Minister Margot Wallstrom said, "Kyoto is about the economy, about leveling the playing field for big businesses worldwide." Canadian Prime Minster Stephen Harper once dismissed UN's Kyoto Protocol as a “socialist scheme.” That is exactly what it is. A one World government socialist scheme. Has nothing to do with Climate and everything to do with controlling the people. http://www.climatedepot.com/a/1893/Gore-US-Climate-Bill-Will-Help-Bring-About-Gl- obal-Governance
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Replying to: gagrice (Jul 12, 2009 5:16 am) |
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Replying to: gagrice (Jul 12, 2009 5:16 am) That has been going on for some time now. Do you really expect the U.S. to be able to keep on using 20-25% of the world's energy with only five percent of the population? Nate over at the oildrum had an interesting comment on that: "Among many differences I notice when comparing American attitudes/behavior to those of people from other countries when I travel, one predominates: that of entitlement. While scanning a crowd at a train station or airport or restaurant or public event abroad, one can oftentimes notice just by attitude alone who hails from USA." http://campfire.theoildrum.com/node/5546#more It is also interesting how business CEOs have been giving themself huge pay raises at the expense of the American worker. Notice also how quickly they moved manufacturing offshore. None of that has anything to do with a climate bill or Al Gore. "It will not affect people like Al Gore that are allowed to have a carbon footprint as large as they like." And why do you ignore all the Republican fat cats in your discussion? And let me add, it is really sad when people associate standard of living with how much money you have or how big your car is... The climate bill will force people to start to address the issue of energy efficiency that have been dragging their feet. Is it perfect, no, but it is a start.
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Replying to: avalon02wh (Jul 12, 2009 6:59 am) They are not preaching against a large carbon footprint while using way more than the average citizen. Do as I say, not as I do is very common among the Liberal Elite. If I am not mistaken, GW Bush has a much smaller carbon footprint than Al Gore. In fact he may be absorbing more CO2 on his ranch than he emits. A big share of the offshore loss of jobs is due to heavy corporate taxes, repressive unions and impossible environmental regulations. I personally would have a lot smaller vehicle carbon footprint if not for regulations. My modest 3000 sq ft home is very energy efficient. I have not used the AC more than 8 hours this year. Part of that is a result of Global Cooling. We have averaged about 6 degrees below normal this Spring & Summer in So CA. notice just by attitude alone who hails from USA." I have witnessed that in Mexico many times. I call it the Sports fan mentality. Yes we put out an ugly face to the rest of the World. We also flaunt our wealth. It is no wonder the rest of the World want to share our standard of living. I doubt many of the masses want to see US come down to their standard. Only the elites that want to protect their standard of living at the expense of yours and mine. You have bought into whole Cap n Trade, and I can guarantee if the Senate does not shelve it, we are in deep doo doo.
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Replying to: avalon02wh (Jul 12, 2009 6:59 am) Entitlement? I certainly believe that we are all individually entitled to the things we work hard for and earn. Usually folks who disagree with this are either very poor or very rich and have no concept of how to apply themselves for their betterment. Giving people a fish never works for long if they are hungry. They have to develop the incentive to want to learn how to fish....and then just do it. |
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Replying to: gagrice (Jul 12, 2009 7:15 am) I guess I wasn't surprised, but the ex-Pres. also purchased a typical mansion just before leaving office. Around Dallas iirc. His ranch house is cool. Blurbs from the climate bill the House sent to the Senate: "It also requires the EPA to prepare a report on the emissions benefits of using natural gas as an automotive fuel and to come up with recommendations for maximizing benefits from use of natural gas fuel. The environmental agency also would be required to establish rules for a national transportation-related greenhouse gas emissions reduction plan; regulations for cutting "black carbon" emissions - diesel particulates, or soot, is one type of black carbon; and rules for cutting use of hydroflurocarbons (HFCs) including those used in automotive air conditioning systems." Senate Takes Up Climate Bill in September, Will Have Big Impact on Autos (Green Car Advisor) HFCs sound like they could be the next big deal. DuPont study says HFC emissions could erase progress (Ittefaq)
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