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Re: More evidence [houdini1] by gagrice
Jul 11, 2009 (5:38 am)
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Replying to: houdini1 (Jul 11, 2009 3:59 am)

Practical is the key word. I think some of the Democrats in Congress with a few brain cells left are coming to the same conclusion. You cannot please all the eco nuts in the country. No matter what you do it is going to be a compromise somewhere. When I was a kid hydro was the ultimate source of energy. Clean power. Now it is considered worse than coal by all the river rat environmentalists. And it does have some big negatives.
 
We have the coal. We should use it in a responsible way. If we need more, they can drain Lake Powell and use the 1000 year supply covered with water. When someone comes up with a practical 24/7 power source phase out fossil fuel generation. If we do start using electric vehicles solar will be pretty much useless charging your car overnight. Both wind and solar are VERY limited as to where they will produce adequate energy to be practical. In spite of the hoopla surrounding them. So far most of our local projects for wind and solar have been shot down by several well meaning groups. We need more electricity or a massive war to eliminate a lot of users.
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Re: More evidence [gagrice] by cwalti
Jul 11, 2009 (6:46 am)
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Replying to: gagrice (Jul 11, 2009 5:38 am)

....I am voting for the war!!!! Let's GO!!!!
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Re: More evidence [gagrice] by steve_ HOST
Jul 11, 2009 (7:07 am)
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Replying to: gagrice (Jul 11, 2009 5:38 am)

river rat environmentalists
 
You called?
 
25 years ago this week my wife and I were paddling some river up in the Yukon on our honeymoon.
 
I think natural gas is a better option than coal in the short term of the old tech fuels. And you can run cars on it "directly".
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Re: More evidence [houdini1] by oldfarmer50
Jul 11, 2009 (12:30 pm)
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Replying to: houdini1 (Jul 10, 2009 7:41 pm)

"...activists screaming that we will use up all th oxygen..."
 
They should be glad for that. You can't have any CO2 if you don't have any O.
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Re: More evidence [cwalti] by oldfarmer50
Jul 11, 2009 (12:34 pm)
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Replying to: cwalti (Jul 10, 2009 10:28 pm)

"...and the source of the purified oxygen..."
 
We can use all the solar panels that we won't need for power to split water.
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Re: More evidence [steve_] by gagrice
Jul 11, 2009 (1:04 pm)
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Replying to: steve_ (Jul 11, 2009 7:07 am)

Happy anniversary. Did you get enough runoff to run the rivers in Idaho this year?
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Re: More evidence [gagrice] by avalon02wh
Jul 11, 2009 (1:29 pm)
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Replying to: gagrice (Jul 11, 2009 5:38 am)

"If we need more, they can drain Lake Powell and use the 1000 year supply covered with water. "
 
FYI - I doubt we will have 1,000 years supply. Currently Lake Powell is being filled at the expense of Lake Mead.
 
By content, Lake Powell is 66.86% of Full Pool (24,322,000 af)
By content, Lake Mead is 42.74% of Full Pool (25,877,000 af)
http://graphs.water-data.com/lakepowell/
http://graphs.water-data.com/lakemead/
 
And speaking of draining things:
"The eastern lobe of the disaster-struck Aral Sea seems to have shrunk by four-fifths in just three years, the European Space Agency (ESA) said on Friday."
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20090710/sc_afp/environmentdisasteraral;_ylt=AtFnFa0- Rb6kFPtfMxvYJTs1pl88F
 
Another example of how man is impacting the earth.
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Re: More evidence [avalon02wh] by gagrice
Jul 11, 2009 (1:32 pm)
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Replying to: avalon02wh (Jul 11, 2009 1:29 pm)

That was the argument used by the Sierra Club to stop the building of Lake Powell in the beginning. That was before all the CA Enviro types wanted to quit using coal for electricity.
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Re: More evidence [avalon02wh] by houdini1
Jul 11, 2009 (1:34 pm)
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Replying to: avalon02wh (Jul 11, 2009 1:29 pm)

Just something else you can blame on President Bush and Sarah Palin.
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Re: More evidence [gagrice] by steve_ HOST
Jul 11, 2009 (2:45 pm)
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Replying to: gagrice (Jul 11, 2009 1:04 pm)

enough runoff to run the rivers
 
It's a good water year, but we've about quit paddling. Just sold a solo canoe 2 weeks ago and have the tandem on the market now. Paring down the fleet.
 
I did see a Prius an hour ago with a roof rack on it so that's encouraging.

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