Are automobiles a major cause of global warming?

Replying to: steve_ (Jul 09, 2009 5:46 pm)

Right and the higher the cost, the higher the percentage of imported oil! It is at the costliest that it has ever been and we import more of if than ever before and it will go even higher as we raise the price. So seemingly it.... is working !!!
 
Oh yes and they need to spend hundreds of millions to change the logo !!!! As you can tell, it is being run better already !!

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Replying to: houdini1 (Jul 11, 2009 3:59 am)

Practical is the key word. I think some of the Democrats in Congress with a few brain cells left are coming to the same conclusion. You cannot please all the eco nuts in the country. No matter what you do it is going to be a compromise somewhere. When I was a kid hydro was the ultimate source of energy. Clean power. Now it is considered worse than coal by all the river rat environmentalists. And it does have some big negatives.
 
We have the coal. We should use it in a responsible way. If we need more, they can drain Lake Powell and use the 1000 year supply covered with water. When someone comes up with a practical 24/7 power source phase out fossil fuel generation. If we do start using electric vehicles solar will be pretty much useless charging your car overnight. Both wind and solar are VERY limited as to where they will produce adequate energy to be practical. In spite of the hoopla surrounding them. So far most of our local projects for wind and solar have been shot down by several well meaning groups. We need more electricity or a massive war to eliminate a lot of users.

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Replying to: gagrice (Jul 11, 2009 5:38 am)

river rat environmentalists
 
You called?
 
25 years ago this week my wife and I were paddling some river up in the Yukon on our honeymoon.
 
I think natural gas is a better option than coal in the short term of the old tech fuels. And you can run cars on it "directly".

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Replying to: houdini1 (Jul 10, 2009 7:41 pm)

"...activists screaming that we will use up all th oxygen..."
 
They should be glad for that. You can't have any CO2 if you don't have any O.

Replying to: cwalti (Jul 10, 2009 10:28 pm)

"...and the source of the purified oxygen..."
 
We can use all the solar panels that we won't need for power to split water.