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Are automobiles a major cause of global warming?

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Re: More evidence [larsb] by gagrice
Jul 09, 2009 (1:49 pm)
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Replying to: larsb (Jul 09, 2009 7:17 am)

You forgot. Coal plants are much cheaper to build. Take up much less land. Work 24/7 which neither solar or wind can do. We are still at 50% of our power generated by coal and my guess is we will stay there long after you and I are dead and gone.
 
That is, until Mr. Peabody's Coal Train hauls it all away. You want a wind generator. T. Boone will have 687 of them for sale soon. No one wants to invest in Wind or Solar is a big part of the problem. It is too unstable of a market. As long as fossil fuel is plentiful, alternatives will be on the back burner. People with money do not want to waste millions of it fighting environmentalist over the 3 toed salamander out in the desert.
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Re: More evidence [gagrice] by ruking1
Jul 09, 2009 (3:33 pm)
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Replying to: gagrice (Jul 09, 2009 1:49 pm)

Indeed it is cheaper to build a 1.5B dollar coal fired plant than to construct WIND farms which even the environmentalist profess to "PREFER" over coal. IMAGINE that !!??
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Re: More evidence [ruking1] by steve_ HOST
Jul 09, 2009 (5:00 pm)
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Replying to: ruking1 (Jul 09, 2009 3:33 pm)

I'm afraid you can't lump all the enviros together when you talk about wind farms. The birders aren't wild about them you know.
 
And you have to wonder how cheap the new coal plants will be to build once a carbon tax is in place.
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Re: More evidence [steve_] by ruking1
Jul 09, 2009 (5:39 pm)
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Replying to: steve_ (Jul 09, 2009 5:00 pm)

..."I'm afraid you can't lump all the enviros together when you talk about wind farms."...
 
The only ones that matter are the ones who have successfully gotten in the way !! So no, I am not talking about ALL....
 
..."And you have to wonder how cheap the new coal plants will be to build once a carbon tax is in place. "...
 
Right and how much C02 will the wind and solar farms save that were NOT built !!??
 
As I have said all along ( this is a graphic demonstration that) the first and foremost priority has been to increase the cost (per measured unit) of power !! CO2 discharge has always been a myth.
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Re: More evidence [ruking1] by steve_ HOST
Jul 09, 2009 (5:46 pm)
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Replying to: ruking1 (Jul 09, 2009 5:39 pm)

the first and foremost priority has been to increase the cost (per measured unit) of power !!
 
Well, that idea has been out there as a conservation measure and as a way to wean the US off of foreign oil.
 
Is a Higher Gasoline Tax Good Or Bad For America?
 
GM is going btw. (link)
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Re: More evidence [steve_] by ruking1
Jul 09, 2009 (6:03 pm)
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Replying to: steve_ (Jul 09, 2009 5:46 pm)

Right and the higher the cost, the higher the percentage of imported oil! It is at the costliest that it has ever been and we import more of if than ever before and it will go even higher as we raise the price. So seemingly it.... is working !!!
 
Oh yes and they need to spend hundreds of millions to change the logo !!!! As you can tell, it is being run better already !!
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Re: More evidence [steve_] by houdini1
Jul 10, 2009 (7:41 pm)
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Replying to: steve_ (Jul 09, 2009 5:00 pm)

The carbon tax has a long way to go before it becomes a law and I do not see it happening.
 
There is a new developing technology that uses pure oxygen rather than just normal air to burn coal. It produces virtually 0 harmful emissions and is supposed to be perfect for coal fired generating plants. Many current plants could be retrofitted. With about 500 years worth of coal within our borders this is great news...but I can already hear the wind and solar activists screaming that we will use up all the oxygen.
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Re: More evidence [houdini1] by steve_ HOST
Jul 10, 2009 (10:01 pm)
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Replying to: houdini1 (Jul 10, 2009 7:41 pm)

They won't be screaming if they can't breathe, lol.
 
New York Governor Encourages Unique Clean Coal Plant (Environment News Service)
 
Cleaner burning is good. Doesn't address all the mining impacts though.
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Re: More evidence [steve_] by cwalti
Jul 10, 2009 (10:28 pm)
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Replying to: steve_ (Jul 10, 2009 10:01 pm)

   
 
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...and the source of the purified oxygen for that matter...
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Re: More evidence [steve_] by houdini1
Jul 11, 2009 (3:59 am)
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Replying to: steve_ (Jul 10, 2009 10:01 pm)

See what I mean...the nitpicking has started. Does solar or wind address the mfg costs, disposal costs, labor costs, protest costs, etc?
 
Nothing that I know of just magically appears out of thin air. There are always compromises. The idea for our energy needs has to be a balance between cost, efficiency, and environmental friendliness.
 
If we truly want to stop financing our enemies with oil money, clean coal is our only practical answer.

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