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Replying to: gagrice (Jul 09, 2009 4:56 am) Byrd may be having a bit of a change of heart in his old age. Too many of his constituents are at risk of getting flooded out from all the mountaintop scraping with the overburden filling in the creeks and valleys. But yeah, India and China are still too poor to be able to afford to be greener, and why should they cut back when the West won't? |
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Replying to: gagrice (Jul 09, 2009 4:56 am) Coal=plentiful, reliable, and awfully polluting. Wind=plentiful, reliable (in places) and minimally polluting (mostly from manufacture of equipment) Solar=plentiful (in places), 100% reliable (sun is always shining somewhere), and minimally polluting (mostly from manufacture of equipment) Number of carcinogens released from burning coal: up to 15 Number of carcinogens released by a block of solar panels: Zero Number of carcinogens released by a wind turbine farm: Zero So you see the coal problem? The sooner we eliminate coal as a source for electricity generation, the better.
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Replying to: larsb (Jul 09, 2009 7:17 am) So for example, when CHINA builds ONE coal buring plant and there are already literally hundreds if not thousands built and many more planned: a plant lasts between 30-60 years between major upgrading. Here is one in Morocco for 1.5 BILLION (2001) link title
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Replying to: ruking1 (Jul 09, 2009 7:29 am) link title |
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Replying to: larsb (Jul 09, 2009 7:17 am) That is, until Mr. Peabody's Coal Train hauls it all away. You want a wind generator. T. Boone will have 687 of them for sale soon. No one wants to invest in Wind or Solar is a big part of the problem. It is too unstable of a market. As long as fossil fuel is plentiful, alternatives will be on the back burner. People with money do not want to waste millions of it fighting environmentalist over the 3 toed salamander out in the desert.
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Replying to: gagrice (Jul 09, 2009 1:49 pm) 
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Replying to: ruking1 (Jul 09, 2009 3:33 pm) And you have to wonder how cheap the new coal plants will be to build once a carbon tax is in place.
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Replying to: steve_ (Jul 09, 2009 5:00 pm) The only ones that matter are the ones who have successfully gotten in the way !! So no, I am not talking about ALL.... ..."And you have to wonder how cheap the new coal plants will be to build once a carbon tax is in place. "... Right and how much C02 will the wind and solar farms save that were NOT built !!?? As I have said all along ( this is a graphic demonstration that) the first and foremost priority has been to increase the cost (per measured unit) of power !! CO2 discharge has always been a myth.
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Replying to: ruking1 (Jul 09, 2009 5:39 pm) Well, that idea has been out there as a conservation measure and as a way to wean the US off of foreign oil. Is a Higher Gasoline Tax Good Or Bad For America? GM is going  btw. (link)
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Replying to: steve_ (Jul 09, 2009 5:46 pm) Oh yes and they need to spend hundreds of millions to change the logo !!!! As you can tell, it is being run better already !! 
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